The General Election Thread

[whp.blue]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

What the hell is Poverty wage and food banks are run by charities and may not actually be needed as clearly some people use them to enhance their lives and not because they are starving

 

[Damocles]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

What the hell is Poverty wage and food banks are run by charities and may not actually be needed as clearly some people use them to enhance their lives and not because they are starving

But by your logic alone, this also means that some people use them because they ARE starving.

 

[whp.blue]

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

What the hell is Poverty wage and food banks are run by charities and may not actually be needed as clearly some people use them to enhance their lives and not because they are starving

But by your logic alone, this also means that some people use them because they ARE starving.

That may or not be true but as none of us know how people manage their benefits so I left that option open.
However people may be "starving" because they choose to buy cigarettes or alcohol instead of food.
Unless anyone knows categorically this to be incorrect I don't think anyone should blame the Government for the rise of food banks.
The majority of people I see going to sign on at Wythenshawe job centre seems to be smoking

 

[Damocles]

What the hell is Poverty wage and food banks are run by charities and may not actually be needed as clearly some people use them to enhance their lives and not because they are starving

But by your logic alone, this also means that some people use them because they ARE starving.

That may or not be true as none of us know how people manage their benefits so I left that option open.
However people may be "starving" because they choose to buy cigarettes or alcohol instead of food.
Unless anyone knows categorically this to be incorrect I don't think anyone should blame the Government for the rise of food banks.

Isn't that logically unfair though?

You have suggested that the default position is to presume that food banks were setup for some unknown reason and all those using them are doing so due to financial mismanagement rather than need.

Your default position seems to be influenced by your political position. Isn't it more consistent to have a default position that food banks were setup because they were needed and used because they were needed?

 

[Len Rum]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

After nearly killing the patient between 2010 and 2012 the subsequent 'death warmed up' growth had to be fuelled by drugs (massive borrowing and housing boom).
Time for cold turkey now.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

Nice to see you come out of troll mode and talk seriously for a change urmston.

That is exactly the problem; this is a recovery built on sand with no solid foundation to it and, as you say, had it not been for the disaster in Scotland, there would almost certainly have been a majority Labour government or at least one with enough seats to govern comfortably.

Ed Balls makes me want to throw things at the TV but I'm coming to the conclusion that he might actually be right.

 

[Len Rum]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

Bloody hell urmston, I misjudged you.

 

[whp.blue]

But by your logic alone, this also means that some people use them because they ARE starving.

That may or not be true as none of us know how people manage their benefits so I left that option open.
However people may be "starving" because they choose to buy cigarettes or alcohol instead of food.
Unless anyone knows categorically this to be incorrect I don't think anyone should blame the Government for the rise of food banks.

Isn't that logically unfair though?

You have suggested that the default position is to presume that food banks were setup for some unknown reason and all those using them are doing so due to financial mismanagement rather than need.

Your default position seems to be influenced by your political position. Isn't it more consistent to have a default position that food banks were setup because they were needed and used because they were needed?

That wasn't my intention

It just annoys me that people seem to blame Food banks on the Government and are just used for political point scoring.
I am the first to admit that until about two weeks ago I didn't even know where a food bank was, when I asked a few questions the two people who admitted to having used a food bank both had part time jobs and receive working tax credits they both smoke and go to the local pub at least two times a week.
So they could be hardly be described as starving.

So it isn't just my political position it is my limited experience that have shaped my comments.

I accept your criticism that the argument should have been framed much better.

 

[SWP's back]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

Bloody hell urmston, I misjudged you.

He just got bored and is trolling the other way.

Either that or his kleeneze business went under.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm struggling to imagine how small someone's penis has to be for them to assume an online persona.

 

[law74]

That may or not be true as none of us know how people manage their benefits so I left that option open.
However people may be "starving" because they choose to buy cigarettes or alcohol instead of food.
Unless anyone knows categorically this to be incorrect I don't think anyone should blame the Government for the rise of food banks.

Isn't that logically unfair though?

You have suggested that the default position is to presume that food banks were setup for some unknown reason and all those using them are doing so due to financial mismanagement rather than need.

Your default position seems to be influenced by your political position. Isn't it more consistent to have a default position that food banks were setup because they were needed and used because they were needed?

That wasn't my intention

It just annoys me that people seem to blame Food banks on the Government and are just used for political point scoring.
I am the first to admit that until about two weeks ago I didn't even know where a food bank was, when I asked a few questions the two people who admitted to having used a food bank both had part time jobs and receive working tax credits they both smoke and go to the local pub at least two times a week.
So they could be hardly be described as starving.

So it isn't just my political position it is my limited experience that have shaped my comments.

I accept your criticism that the argument should have been framed much better.

While that may be the case for some foodbanks, quite a lot require you to be referred by a doctor or care worker to receive the food, so not quite a case os going to tescos with your last £20, buying a litre of vodka, fout litres of cola and calling into the foodbank on your way home for the groceries...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/documents/Press/TT-Foodbank-Information-Pack-2013-14.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/ ... 013-14.pdf</a>

 

[Lucky13]

No one could have foreseen more people using a free food service.

 

[law74]

Makes me proud to be a Tory seeing that growth.

Good work Dave and George.

There's no real recovery.

Real recoveries don't involve lots of poverty wage job creation, zero hour contracts and use of food banks.

Labour would have romped this election if they hadn't thrown away Scotland in the most careless and incompetent way imaginable.

Bloody hell urmston, I misjudged you.

Im not sure I entirely agree with the Scotland point though, I feel that the rise of the SNP happened when the Labour Party turned from its traditional core values as a left leaning party is far from a coincidence, as that gave the nationalists the impetus and in politics momentum is a very valuable commodity, you only have to look at the change in the political landscape in Northern Ireland where the main unionist and nationalist parties have both been overturned in a generation, so as New-Labour reinvented itself and gained floating voters in England, at the same time, it lost votes and seats in a traditional heartland north of the border

 

[whp.blue]

Isn't that logically unfair though?

You have suggested that the default position is to presume that food banks were setup for some unknown reason and all those using them are doing so due to financial mismanagement rather than need.

Your default position seems to be influenced by your political position. Isn't it more consistent to have a default position that food banks were setup because they were needed and used because they were needed?

That wasn't my intention

It just annoys me that people seem to blame Food banks on the Government and are just used for political point scoring.
I am the first to admit that until about two weeks ago I didn't even know where a food bank was, when I asked a few questions the two people who admitted to having used a food bank both had part time jobs and receive working tax credits they both smoke and go to the local pub at least two times a week.
So they could be hardly be described as starving.

So it isn't just my political position it is my limited experience that have shaped my comments.

I accept your criticism that the argument should have been framed much better.

While that may be the case for some foodbanks, quite a lot require you to be referred by a doctor or care worker to receive the food, so not quite a case os going to tescos with your last £20, buying a litre of vodka, fout litres of cola and calling into the foodbank on your way home for the groceries...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/documents/Press/TT-Foodbank-Information-Pack-2013-14.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/ ... 013-14.pdf</a>

Obviously Wythenshawe is seen as a Third world estate where we all qualify for free food handouts as I am told the food bank doesn't even ask you to prove if you are in receipt of benefits, apparently you just have to register and the following week there will be a food parcel for you. On the day you register if there is an unclaimed parcel you may be given that.
This system hardly seems to be driven by dire need and this is the sort of thing that I feel is wrong to blame on the Government of the day and that will be just the same if Silliband gets in.

No one knows what has brought about this type of food bank and what the motives of the recipients are.

If anyone wants any free food call in and register Wednesdays I think

 

[law74]

No one could have foreseen more people using a free food service.

"Getting food from the foodbank really helped to reduce stress but it wasn’t just the
food, it was the welcome that was brilliant. Just talking to someone who genuinely
cared for ten minutes changed my perspective. It gave me the confidence I needed
to keep on applying for jobs and now I’ve got one. Without the foodbank I’d still be
homeless and on the dole. The foodbank is the best thing in the world.’

">> Over 27,000 professionals like social workers, health visitors and schools
liaison officers refer clients in crisis to our foodbanks."

 

[law74]

That wasn't my intention

It just annoys me that people seem to blame Food banks on the Government and are just used for political point scoring.
I am the first to admit that until about two weeks ago I didn't even know where a food bank was, when I asked a few questions the two people who admitted to having used a food bank both had part time jobs and receive working tax credits they both smoke and go to the local pub at least two times a week.
So they could be hardly be described as starving.

So it isn't just my political position it is my limited experience that have shaped my comments.

I accept your criticism that the argument should have been framed much better.

While that may be the case for some foodbanks, quite a lot require you to be referred by a doctor or care worker to receive the food, so not quite a case os going to tescos with your last £20, buying a litre of vodka, fout litres of cola and calling into the foodbank on your way home for the groceries...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/documents/Press/TT-Foodbank-Information-Pack-2013-14.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/ ... 013-14.pdf</a>

Obviously Wythenshawe is seen as a Third world estate where we all qualify for free food handouts as I am told the food bank doesn't even ask you to prove if you are in receipt of benefits, apparently you just have to register and the following week there will be a food parcel for you. On the day you register if there is an unclaimed parcel you may be given that.
This system hardly seems to be driven by dire need and this is the sort of thing that I feel is wrong to blame on the Government of the day and that will be just the same if Silliband gets in.

No one knows what has brought about this type of food bank and what the motives of the recipients are.

If anyone wants any free food call in and register Wednesdays I think

You dont need to be on benefits in modern day Britain to be in financial hardship, many that bought homes in the "boom times" then lost reasonably well paid jobs and have had to take a wage cut to get back in work, though the mortgage payments have not fallen, or rent rises at a time of wage suppression, higher fuel costs all lead to a greater strain on the pocket, but while the majority suffer, The 1,000 wealthiest Britons now own £518.975 billion - the equivalent of a third of Britain’s gross domestic product (GDP) - with their combined worth rising 15.4 per cent on last year's total of £449.654 billion, according to the Sunday Times Rich List.

 

[Mike D]

Isn't that logically unfair though?

You have suggested that the default position is to presume that food banks were setup for some unknown reason and all those using them are doing so due to financial mismanagement rather than need.

Your default position seems to be influenced by your political position. Isn't it more consistent to have a default position that food banks were setup because they were needed and used because they were needed?

That wasn't my intention


It just annoys me that people seem to blame Food banks on the Government and are just used for political point scoring.
I am the first to admit that until about two weeks ago I didn't even know where a food bank was, when I asked a few questions the two people who admitted to having used a food bank both had part time jobs and receive working tax credits they both smoke and go to the local pub at least two times a week.
So they could be hardly be described as starving.

So it isn't just my political position it is my limited experience that have shaped my comments.

I accept your criticism that the argument should have been framed much better.

While that may be the case for some foodbanks, quite a lot require you to be referred by a doctor or care worker to receive the food, so not quite a case os going to tescos with your last £20, buying a litre of vodka, fout litres of cola and calling into the foodbank on your way home for the groceries...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/documents/Press/TT-Foodbank-Information-Pack-2013-14.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.trusselltrust.org/resources/ ... 013-14.pdf</a>

Spot on how anyone can try and defend the governments contribution towards this would be scraping around to find that last molecule of human moral fibre that they had left to offer.

 

[PrestwichPeteMcfc]

Russell Brand is now advocating voting Labour

 

[Mike D]

No one could have foreseen more people using a free food service.

It wouldn't taken Miss Marple to work out that if you start introducing punitive measure to reduce or take away benefits that wouldn't happen?

 

[malg]

Russell Brand is now advocating voting Labour

Bollocks, not having that. Whodafunkit!