The General Election Thread

[Lucky13]

Harman refusing to appear on Sky News , the day gets better.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

So labour lost Scotland and the libs lost everywhere. Not really a surprise is it?

 

[whp.blue]

I hope Labour now realize we need to change the voting system

That would be a massive vote winner for Labour

Vote labour and get 40 UKIP MP'S

 

[northstander]

why do the labour party keep going on about the nhs ? it will never go private, however the problems of the nhs are due to labour;
too many immigrants let in without any consideration for their health requirements, whether that be sickness they brought with them, illnesses caused by change of climate ( daft but true ), increase in childbirth, accidents etc
health tourism and non payment, when we go abroad, no insurance no treatment, very disappointed the last government didn't stop this, but i feel liberals wouldn't allow that to happen.
under labour, only 10 years ago mrsa, c dif was rife and cost lives, and millions, i won't even mention the hospitals like north staffordshire and others that failed their patients horrifically.
labour employed thousands in unnecessary non jobs paying ridiculous salaries, why employ 1 person on 150k per year, instead of 6 nurses on 25k per year ? maybe the non job manager on 150k pays 56k in tax whereas 6 nurses combined only pay 18k in tax, a difference of 38k, multiply that by the number of unnecessary managers equates to hundreds of millions of pounds DEFICIT per annum, where will they make up that sort of finance, higher taxation or the private sector which labour despises. the mansion tax ? why didn't miliband make it a 2 million or 1.5 million threshold, maybe because they would have to pay the tax themselves.
these managers wasted so much money on pointless things, i remember a large round marble costing 70k for the entrance to one hospital, surely that should have been spent on medicines or vital equipment, i was in hospital yesterday having an arthroscopy, i'm not interested in decor or marble globes i just want a clean, disease free hospital with competent, friendly staff.
yes there is a requirement for the private sector in the nhs but these non jobs employing private companies paying stupid money to staff who aren't qualified to do the job required is a waste of resources

 

[whp.blue]

Harman refusing to appear on Sky News , the day gets better.[/quote

she should be restricted to radio interviews permanently

 

[bluethrunthru]

Farage not looking confident he he he

 

[Bigga]

An extra 8bn being pumped into it, four times what the socialists pledged.

In politics a 'pledge' is not a promise. As I said a few weeks ago, if the Cons are going to put in £8 billion, they haven't said at what point that will start to happen and from where they will get that money.

The Cons have less than a 1% swing against Labour, that's about 17 seats, so they didn't do that great against their main rivals. People rejected the Libs and, obviously, the SNP came into play to work against Labour.

What that means is Labour are alive and kicking. A new radiant leader will give them all they need in England, without reliance on Scottish influence.

Really? The Jocks decided the majority of what happened last night and the public have spoken

People are saying that you cant blame Ed, I disagree, its akin to Tommy Cooper passing me his material, I'd die flat on my arse! It's about policies and pledges for sure but the key is the delivery and having credibility

They fucked up big time as we all know when they let David move to the Big Apple and this is not an overnight fix

A gamble that looks to have failed miserably

Not sure you can blame Miliband for a self character assassination! The media did that.
Picked on him for his voice, his eating and anything else that they could think of and the average Joe began to pick up on it too. Remember, even TV looked at the image perception and that was ill judged.

It seems that people would rather get taken in by the horribly conceived "no money" joke that Cameron ran with, than actually looking at caused the real financial crisis. The Cons brilliantly laid the blame on Labour and it was swallowed.

Good job.

I will agree that David Miliband being beaten for the leadership set this off and I think he'll be back. However, Ed was right in shifting Labour away from the Blair association.

That needed to happen, full stop.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Greens - 1m votes - 1 seat
UKIP - 3.6m votes - 1 seat
Lib Dems - 2m votes - 8 seats
SNP - 1.4m votes - 56 seats

Great system

 

[whp.blue]

He's probably pright though. Without a coalition partner to exercise at least some restraint, the next five years are going to be brutal I suspect. Deep cuts and little growth in productivity are on the menu.

Surely you are missing the point this is democracy and working people all over the country are sick of the issues raised by Benefit cheats scroungers and immigration These points were all at the forefront of this election and it looks like the majority have come down in favour of action against these pressing issues.

If that's what you think this election was really about then I fucking despair.

Well I think you are going to be in a state of despair for the next five years at least then

 

[bluemoon32]

Tax fraud/evasion costs this country and its tax payers far more than any benefit fraud does, fact as Rafa would put it.

Sick to fucking death of reading the same shite all the time, in fact it disgusts me and no, I didn't vote Labour before some smart arse comes on.

Yep, the demonising of people on benefits has been shameful.

 

[DavidSilvasLeftFoot]

Theresa May was just asked what the Tories would have done if they weren't in a coalition with the LibDems

"A conservative government would be giving the security agencies and law enforcement agencies the powers that they need to ensure they're keeping up to date as people communicate with communications data. We were prevented from bringing in that legislation into the last government because of the coalitions with the Lib Dems and we are determined to bring that through because we believe that is necessary to maintain the capabilities of our law enforcement agencies so they can continue to do the excellent job day in day out of keeping us safe and secure"

What a fucking Pantomime villain. Nobody can dare say that the LibDems did nothing in government now

 

[bluethrunthru]

Greens - 1m votes - 1 seat
UKIP - 3.6m votes - 1 seat
Lib Dems - 2m votes - 8 seats
SNP - 1.4m votes - 56 seats

Great system

yeah but the system means the main 2 parties have as I type 540 seats between them on probably 35-40m votes so it works for them and I doubt there will be change any time soon.

 

[Blue Maverick]

So you were lying then. Thanks for the link proving it.

Not exact,y what you were claiming was it.

Also I like this bit



So started under Labour, was a success. Why would a Labour have repealed it? Oh yes they wouldn't.

You were just lying again.

The scheme sounds a fucking good idea though.

Are you stupid or niave, it's ambulance on the cheap, of course they won't put the fine detail in there would they otherwise people would cotton on to it, yesterday we were told in no uncertain terms what we would be doing, it's that and much more, but as you are an expert in every job and field in the public sector I'll bow to your superior knowledge in everything.

And Labour started it so why would they repeal the successful trial?

Labour introduced home safety checks I.e. Fitting smoke alarms, that's it, they did not introduce the rest, simple question when you phone with a medical emergency do you want highly trained staff or a Jack of all trades with basic training?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

He's probably pright though. Without a coalition partner to exercise at least some restraint, the next five years are going to be brutal I suspect. Deep cuts and little growth in productivity are on the menu.

Surely you are missing the point this is democracy and working people all over the country are sick of the issues raised by Benefit cheats scroungers and immigration These points were all at the forefront of this election and it looks like the majority have come down in favour of action against these pressing issues.

No no. It's all Murdochs fault.

Tories are nazis.

Only bankers will be better off.

Democracy isn't working.

Well if they crack down on immigrants then you're fucked.

How's life anyway you offshore, tax dodger? I'm doing a big piece of work for a large Investment/Wealth Management firm at the moment so no doubt they'll be delighted with the result and hopefully more work for me. So it's not all bad news.

 

[whp.blue]

Surely you are missing the point this is democracy and working people all over the country are sick of the issues raised by Benefit cheats scroungers and immigration These points were all at the forefront of this election and it looks like the majority have come down in favour of action against these pressing issues.

If that's what you think this election was really about then I fucking despair.

So the welfare culture and immigration were not significant issues in this election???? I fucking despair - that's why UKIP have just got 3.5 million votes.

Plus the Conservative votes as they have been tarnished with the same brush as UKIP during this election

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Greens - 1m votes - 1 seat
UKIP - 3.6m votes - 1 seat
Lib Dems - 2m votes - 8 seats
SNP - 1.4m votes - 56 seats

Great system

yeah but the system means the main 2 parties have as I type 540 seats between them on probably 35-40m votes so it works for them and I doubt there will be change any time soon.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks Labour will do anything about this is kidding themselves. They might've had a bad election, but they'll be back and this system massively benefits them.

I've been a consistent supporter for PR, but I don't expect it to ever get implemented without a pretty big upheaval. Hell, haven't we been promised an elected House of Lords for decades?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Surely you are missing the point this is democracy and working people all over the country are sick of the issues raised by Benefit cheats scroungers and immigration These points were all at the forefront of this election and it looks like the majority have come down in favour of action against these pressing issues.

No no. It's all Murdochs fault.

Tories are nazis.

Only bankers will be better off.

Democracy isn't working.

Well if they crack down on immigrants then you're fucked.

How's life anyway you offshore, tax dodger? I'm doing a big piece of work for a large Investment/Wealth Management firm at the moment so no doubt they'll be delighted with the result and hopefully more work for me. So it's not all bad news.

cheap.

 

[Lucky13]

Beaker using the #edstone for a political headstone , rumours he'll go by dinner time.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

In politics a 'pledge' is not a promise. As I said a few weeks ago, if the Cons are going to put in £8 billion, they haven't said at what point that will start to happen and from where they will get that money.

The Cons have less than a 1% swing against Labour, that's about 17 seats, so they didn't do that great against their main rivals. People rejected the Libs and, obviously, the SNP came into play to work against Labour.

What that means is Labour are alive and kicking. A new radiant leader will give them all they need in England, without reliance on Scottish influence.

Really? The Jocks decided the majority of what happened last night and the public have spoken

People are saying that you cant blame Ed, I disagree, its akin to Tommy Cooper passing me his material, I'd die flat on my arse! It's about policies and pledges for sure but the key is the delivery and having credibility

They fucked up big time as we all know when they let David move to the Big Apple and this is not an overnight fix

A gamble that looks to have failed miserably

Not sure you can blame Miliband for a self character assassination! The media did that.
Picked on him for his voice, his eating and anything else that they could think of and the average Joe began to pick up on it too. Remember, even TV looked at the image perception and that was ill judged.

It seems that people would rather get taken in by the horribly conceived "no money" joke that Cameron ran with, than actually looking at caused the real financial crisis. The Cons brilliantly laid the blame on Labour and it was swallowed.

Good job.

I will agree that David Miliband being beaten for the leadership set this off and I think he'll be back. However, Ed was right in shifting Labour away from the Blair association.

That needed to happen, full stop.

Yet again more bullshit about the 'Media' calling Wallace, which is soooo unfair. The left wing media isn't read by the majority in England for the plain and simple fact that England eschews socialism, so prefers the slant on politics put out by the right wing media, this is the crux of the issue. The 'no money' letter was anything but a joke, and the electorate also realised this.
What's making me laugh is everyone with any sense could see Ed Miliband was a gift to the Tories, but plenty on here were saying how great he was. I think that was wishful thinking, and now they're desperate to fuck him off asap.

 

[inbetween]

Beaker using the #edstone for a political headstone , rumours he'll go by dinner time.

I think he pretty much has to. He has also lost some pretty key members of any future shadow government. Time for a complete rethink from Labour it seems!