The General Election Thread

[Rascal]

A view from a UKIP'er i know -

In some ways the damage has already been done which is why all those of the right vehemently opposed Labour, immigration should be a POSITIVE force inriching society creating a wider employment range creating jobs and grow economy, but in true Labour fashion it was all about ignorance and completely open borders to anyone without any understanding or control, now we have a situation of strained public services a country with hostile communities in in closed areas, and the government fighting against it, the first thing to do is to get out of Europe which is costing billions to a corrupt and inefficient EU, STOP free flow of people where we have no control of what and who is coming in, next to work closely with communities understanding them and providing tougher laws on any HATE led organization including EDP! And Muslim extremists. You wouldn't have free movement into your home in fact you shut the door and restrict it, the same goes for your nation, in order to have a healthy society with good public services, stable economy and a united community you simply HAVE to AT LEAST restrict what comes in, points based system is used by many nations and is shown to be effective, but we can't since the EU is mainly left led government that wants to restrict Britain and make it take the burden to create an equal Europe.

It is the very reason left wing governments never work, their philosophy is tax anyone that works hard to fund the safety net with the result being a society that is state dependent which stagnates growth in the individual since their is little reward and much to fall back on, knowing that people from poorer countries will obviously vote for these policies large scale immigration is introduced to create a large voting pool to keep them in power, it is the very reason the Tory's are giving much devolution to Scotland it will take away Labours stronghold....all Parties do it and in 12 years of Labour government they engineered this society, and finally the answer to all problems is use this high tax to throw money at any issues thinking this will make the problem better, while insome ways it does it creates beurocracy and ultimately inefficiency as they try as a traditional left policy to control the state put in ridiculous targets and middle management which the public are left baffled with

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Tell your UKIP mate he is a fucking crackpot from me. Ta

Excellent, objective, powerful reasoning Rascal (again).
Well done.

Why am i going to waste my time replying to somebody who is not even a member here and who believes the cloud cuckoo stuff he has told Mark. Its crackpot stuff. Read it. What planet is the fella on?

Just one point shows the man is an idiot. He thinks the EU is a left wing led organisation. Only France of the major states has a left led government of note.

And he thinks Labour used Freedom of Movement to gerrymander elections. The mans a fuckwit and a half for believing that. How can you under Freedom of Movement control who comes here and what there politics are? You cant, as he goes onto bemoan same Freedom of Movement for creating so many problems.

He doesnt even realise we already have a points based system of immigration in place. Of course that points based system can not stop Freedom of Movement as i have explained earlier in the thread. But he didnt even know. What Mark posted from his friend was a lazy concoction of half truths, bare faced lies and extreme propaganda probably taken from the Britain First website that propogates myth to such an extent it is embarrassing.

 

[BlueHammer85]

My freind will get back to you on your points , or me. Whatever you chose to believe.

 

[hilts]

My freind will get back to you on your points , or me. Whatever you chose to believe.

Charlatan

 

[Ducado]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

 

[Rascal]

My freind will get back to you on your points , or me. Whatever you chose to believe.

You can choose :)

 

[BlueHammer85]

My freind will get back to you on your points , or me. Whatever you chose to believe.

Charlatans

Good band

 

[hilts]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

Now seems a good time in history(probably 2 hung parliaments on the bounce, devolution etc..) to actually have a major re think on our political system, how our MP's are voted in and how power is shared, i would be in favour of starting again, not much chance of it happening though, as usual it will be fiddled with and we will end with more layers of government but very little change

 

[Gabriel]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

On point one, do you see the North of England as one entity, or would you sub-divide it in terms of devolution? And, on point six, do you include the EU with immigration, or is that a separate issue? Are they numbered in terms of importance to you?

 

[Gabriel]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

Now seems a good time in history(probably 2 hung parliaments on the bounce, devolution etc..) to actually have a major re think on our political system, how our MP's are voted in and how power is shared, i would be in favour of starting again, not much chance of it happening though, as usual it will be fiddled with and we will end with more layers of government but very little change

It's only three years since the AV referendum left us with the status quo of FPTP. I agree that there probably should be change, but returning to the public for another referendum would be dangerous, especially with 45% of the Scottish electorate thirsting for a rematch.

 

[Len Rum]

Farage has been invited to take part in one of the televised debates. There will be 3 debates in all:

First - Conservative and Labour leaders.
Second - as the first, but with Lib Dem leader.
Third - as second, but with Farage.

Not a fan of that, the two main parties getting 3 times the airtime anyone else gets. Still, could work against them.

Cam running scared already. He's not good without a script from Lynton.
Also how come it's being proposed that UKIP get airtime? Up until last week they had no MPs, now they have one. What about the other minority parties?

 

[hilts]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

Now seems a good time in history(probably 2 hung parliaments on the bounce, devolution etc..) to actually have a major re think on our political system, how our MP's are voted in and how power is shared, i would be in favour of starting again, not much chance of it happening though, as usual it will be fiddled with and we will end with more layers of government but very little change

It's only three years since the AV referendum left us with the status quo of FPTP. I agree that there probably should be change, but returning to the public for another referendum would be dangerous, especially with 45% of the Scottish electorate thirsting for a rematch.

Was a bit of a farce that referendum, the system i would want would mean an awful lots of MP's and Lords falling on their swords

 

[Rascal]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple
2) Education... Equality of opportunity
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a sham
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powers
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownership

6)

 

[DelToro]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

1) Climate change
2) Education
3) Economy
4) Electoral Reform
5) Foreign policy
6) NHS

 

[Ducado]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple
2) Education... Equality of opportunity
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a sham
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powers
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownership

6)

The NHS one is tricky, whilst it's true that more investment is needed there are other issues, from what the many people I know who work within the NHS tell me (both Medical and Non Medical) is that it's a vast complex inefficient bureaucracy and throwing money at it is not the only solution it needs more than that, but it needs someone with the bottle to do it, the biggest problem we face with regard to the NHS is are increasing numbers of elderly people and not enough facilities for them

 

[hilts]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple bottomless pit
2) Education... Equality of opportunity cant argue
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobsagree
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a shamdisagree austerity was needed imho
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powerswould prefer a mayor
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.agree
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.cost dependant and who would run it
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownershipagree

6)

 

[mackenzie]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple
2) Education... Equality of opportunity
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a sham
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powers
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownership

6)

The NHS one is tricky, whilst it's true that more investment is needed there are other issues, from what the many people I know who work within the NHS tell me (both Medical and Non Medical) is that it's a vast complex inefficient bureaucracy and throwing money at it is not the only solution it needs more than that, but it needs someone with the bottle to do it, the biggest problem we face with regard to the NHS is are increasing numbers of elderly people and not enough facilities for them

It's not just the increasing numbers of the elderly though, it's the increase in obesity. A complete overhaul is needed but I don't think they have a plan at all.

 

[hilts]

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple
2) Education... Equality of opportunity
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a sham
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powers
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownership

6)

The NHS one is tricky, whilst it's true that more investment is needed there are other issues, from what the many people I know who work within the NHS tell me (both Medical and Non Medical) is that it's a vast complex inefficient bureaucracy and throwing money at it is not the only solution it needs more than that, but it needs someone with the bottle to do it, the biggest problem we face with regard to the NHS is are increasing numbers of elderly people and not enough facilities for them

It's not just the increasing numbers of the elderly though, it's the increase in obesity. A complete overhaul is needed but I don't think they have a plan at all.

Same with pensions, certain people on benefits and companies avoiding tax, the reason these issues never go away and never will is because the answers to each are political suicide so politicians play with them and generally try to avoid them like the plague

 

[Rascal]

Back to the election what are the issues that are important to people

To me it's the following

1) Revitalisation of the North of England, which must include some devolution of power
2) English votes for English issues (It's what will hammer Labour if Ed does not come up with a better plan than a talking shop sometime in the distant future)
3) The Economy, which party has the best policies
4) The NHS
5) Education
6) Immigration

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple
2) Education... Equality of opportunity
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a sham
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powers
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownership

6)

The NHS one is tricky, whilst it's true that more investment is needed there are other issues, from what the many people I know who work within the NHS tell me (both Medical and Non Medical) is that it's a vast complex inefficient bureaucracy and throwing money at it is not the only solution it needs more than that, but it needs someone with the bottle to do it, the biggest problem we face with regard to the NHS is are increasing numbers of elderly people and not enough facilities for them

Andy Burnhams plans for the NHS are brilliant in the area of the elderly and co-ordinated care. A lot of waste is because things are not co-ordinated in a proper manner.

Lansley made things worse. The NHS now has to spend millions on tenders to bid to keep its own services in house. That is insane. My GP cannot prescribe me my drugs because it would take him over budget...Im lucky i have a bright specialist who put a great case to the drug company that i am in fact a useful idiot guinea pig. I was denied drugs costing £1k per week because of expense at first so they had to keep me in Hozzy which costs £3,500 per week.... but doesnt affect my GPs budget. Its fucking insane mate.

 

[Ducado]

1) The NHS......Needs investment simple
2) Education... Equality of opportunity
3) Housing..simple we need housing. loads of brownfield sites we can build on now. get started, it creates jobs
4) The Economy.. I want to see investment and somebody be brave to say austerity is a sham
5) Regional Democracy. A NW or Gt Manchester parliament given its own budget and tax raising powers
6) A move to a more Federal state, with less centralisation of power.
7) Transport. We will grind to a halt without a visionary transport guru. Trains back under state ownership.
8) Energy ..Brought back into public ownership

6)

The NHS one is tricky, whilst it's true that more investment is needed there are other issues, from what the many people I know who work within the NHS tell me (both Medical and Non Medical) is that it's a vast complex inefficient bureaucracy and throwing money at it is not the only solution it needs more than that, but it needs someone with the bottle to do it, the biggest problem we face with regard to the NHS is are increasing numbers of elderly people and not enough facilities for them

Andy Burnhams plans for the NHS are brilliant in the area of the elderly and co-ordinated care. A lot of waste is because things are not co-ordinated in a proper manner.

Lansley made things worse. The NHS now has to spend millions on tenders to bid to keep its own services in house. That is insane. My GP cannot prescribe me my drugs because it would take him over budget...Im lucky i have a bright specialist who put a great case to the drug company that i am in fact a useful idiot guinea pig. I was denied drugs costing £1k per week because of expense at first so they had to keep me in Hozzy which costs £3,500 per week.... but doesnt affect my GPs budget. Its fucking insane mate.

I agree this government has gone procurement mad, not just in Health but also in Social Care, it's complex cost a fortune and is benefiting no one except a handful of consultants

 

[mackenzie]

The NHS one is tricky, whilst it's true that more investment is needed there are other issues, from what the many people I know who work within the NHS tell me (both Medical and Non Medical) is that it's a vast complex inefficient bureaucracy and throwing money at it is not the only solution it needs more than that, but it needs someone with the bottle to do it, the biggest problem we face with regard to the NHS is are increasing numbers of elderly people and not enough facilities for them

It's not just the increasing numbers of the elderly though, it's the increase in obesity. A complete overhaul is needed but I don't think they have a plan at all.

Same with pensions, certain people on benefits and companies avoiding tax, the reason these issues never go away and never will is because the answers to each are political suicide so politicians play with them and generally try to avoid them like the plague

This is going to sound a bit odd but is actually true. A few years ago a customer of mine told me that her husband, a medical professional, was involved in a research study into the causes of obesity. Central heating was cited as a factor.