The General Election Thread

[SWP's back]

Ed Balls doing a great job for the Tories today. Refusing to rule out pulling more hard workers into paying higher tax and letting this trend continue.

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Actually he didn't refuse to rule it out.
Both Con and Lab are agreed to raise the 40p threshold in line with inflation until 2018.
Thereafter the Tories have made a mañana ( I.e. worthless) promise that they'll raise it over and above predicted inflation rises to £50k without saying how they will fund it ( knowing full well that by 2018 so much will have changed then if necessary they can default on their promise without too much fuss).
Balls has said that he could only follow the Tories path if the above inflation rise in the threshold can be funded which seems fair enough.
Still why let the truth get in the way of your very impressive graph.

Just a second, are you questioning the validity of the graph?

That more and more hard working families have fallen into the higher rate category.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

This bloke would sort out the Socialist Councils and 60 Socialist MP's using staff on zero hours contracts

Good old trusty Lib Dems, eh!

 

[Damocles]

This bloke would sort out the Socialist Councils and 60 Socialist MP's using staff on zero hours contracts

Actually he said

"In this young country, we can then reform and modernise our welfare state, and the party that founded it and believes in it is the party to reform it. There are hard choices and we will face up to them, but they should be made with justice and equity. This party introduced universal pensions. We believe they must remain the foundation of pension provision, but we cannot cure pensioner poverty simply through the state pension. Some 600,000 of our elderly people are left behind because they do not claim means-tested income support. Increasing numbers of pensioners have second and third pensions. That is why we are looking at ways for people to put together income from public and private sources to guarantee a minimum standard of living for our pensioners. The aim of this policy should be to remove the stigma of means testing for ever and guarantee a minimum income that provides dignity in old age. That is new Labour too, and we are also thinking through new ways of planning for long-term care. You will all know elderly people who saved all their lives and now see their savings eaten away by nursing home costs. It is one of the great modern tragedies of our country and we will examine that and bring forward sensible proposals there to help those people.

But I do not want an old social order. I want a new one with rules for today. I believe in the family and in being tough on crime. Some would say that those are the moral values of the old-fashioned or the right, but don’t let the Tories claim these values as their own. They are our values and you can be tough on crime and tough on prejudice too. In any young country, the talents of all are allowed to flourish. There should be no discrimination in our young country on grounds of disability, gender, age, sexuality or race. I say this to the Conservatives, those who play politics with race or immigration, betray the values of a decent, civilised society.

Justice, in society and at work: people at work should have a stake in the companies for which they work. A young country gives rights, but it demands responsibilities. Leave the battles of the past. Ballots, peaceful picketing, proper conduct of disputes - these laws are staying we know. But there will be new rights for all individuals at work.

A Labour government will be part of the European Social Chapter. Part-time employees will no longer be treated as second class citizens. There will be an end to zero-hours contracts. Young people will be properly protected against under age working and joining a trade union will be a matter of free choice, but where that choice is exercised, there will be a right to representation and, where the majority want it, a right to union recognition.".

He's actually referring to the proposals made in The 'Social Chapter' part of Stage Three in the Maastrict Treaty which John Major opted out of in in 1993. The things he is talking about after were all part of the Social Chapter and the point he was making is that they would cancel the opt-out.

And they did exactly that.

The Social Chapter was an agreement between European states but not something that made any new regulations. There's an informative research paper here about it and the point of it

This is why politics is shit by the way. He almost said that but didn't actually say that but nobody has bothered to look it up, instead just peddling the same wrongness between each other in an endless merry-go-round of misinformation and out of context statements under the guise of debate.

 

[urmston]

Five Labour MPs have been sent to jail since the last election, and another was excused trial for allegedly dodgy expense claims because she was not fit to plead due to depression.


What kind of fool votes for a bunch of swindlers like that?

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Five Labour MPs have been sent to jail since the last election, and another was excused trial for allegedly dodgy expense claims because she was not fit to plead due to depression.


What kind of fool votes for a bunch of swindlers like that?

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

 

[urmston]

Five Labour MPs have been sent to jail since the last election, and another was excused trial for allegedly dodgy expense claims because she was not fit to plead due to depression.


What kind of fool votes for a bunch of swindlers like that?

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

Elections are about trust and money.

When a party has had 5 MPs jailed for betraying my trust by helping themselves to public money only an utter fool would vote for them.

These Labour MPs said they cared about the common people but all they did was steal their money.

 

[scotty123]

ALL 600 and odd of them should be stood against a wall and shot in the groin area and left to die SLOWLY, swindling, paedo, self serving snout in the trough allegedly bunch of twats

 

[whp.blue]

Five Labour MPs have been sent to jail since the last election, and another was excused trial for allegedly dodgy expense claims because she was not fit to plead due to depression.


What kind of fool votes for a bunch of swindlers like that?

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

Hariot Harmen and Patricia Hewitt are both serving Labour MP's who think sex with children is ok and Ed Milliband defended Patricia Hewitt
so maybe not a slam dunk for labour after all

 

[yerwot?]

If we just allow the tories to continue for a while we might actually get the growth, wealth and prosperity - and through that the excellent public services - that we ALL want.

19 years not enough then? It felt so much longer

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Five Labour MPs have been sent to jail since the last election, and another was excused trial for allegedly dodgy expense claims because she was not fit to plead due to depression.


What kind of fool votes for a bunch of swindlers like that?

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

Elections are about trust and money.

When a party has had 5 MPs jailed for betraying my trust by helping themselves to public money only an utter fool would vote for them.

These Labour MPs said they cared about the common people but all they did was steal their money.

How very "Tory" to put money above the welfare of abused children.

 

[lloydie]

Five Labour MPs have been sent to jail since the last election, and another was excused trial for allegedly dodgy expense claims because she was not fit to plead due to depression.


What kind of fool votes for a bunch of swindlers like that?

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

Hariot Harmen and Patricia Hewitt are both serving Labour MP's who think sex with children is ok and Ed Milliband defended Patricia Hewitt
so maybe not a slam dunk for labour after all

You do know that that's a lie don't you?

I refer you to Damocles post above.

 

[SWP's back]

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

Elections are about trust and money.

When a party has had 5 MPs jailed for betraying my trust by helping themselves to public money only an utter fool would vote for them.

These Labour MPs said they cared about the common people but all they did was steal their money.

How very "Tory" to put money above the welfare of abused children.

Of do fuck off.

 

[whp.blue]

Were any of them sent down for being active paedophiles, or covering up for known paedophiles within their cabinet?
What kind of fool etc etc.?

Hariot Harmen and Patricia Hewitt are both serving Labour MP's who think sex with children is ok and Ed Milliband defended Patricia Hewitt
so maybe not a slam dunk for labour after all

You do know that that's a lie don't you?



I refer you to Damocles post above.

What is a lie? they said it or Miliiband defended them?

 

[lloydie]

Hariot Harmen and Patricia Hewitt are both serving Labour MP's who think sex with children is ok and Ed Milliband defended Patricia Hewitt
so maybe not a slam dunk for labour after all

You do know that that's a lie don't you?



I refer you to Damocles post above.

What is a lie? they said it or Miliiband defended them?

Show me the proof of your assertion, as fact, that Hewitt or Harman ever said it was ok to have sex with children. Then show me the proof that Milliband defended them for saying something that they didn't say.

I again refer you to Damocles post.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Elections are about trust and money.

When a party has had 5 MPs jailed for betraying my trust by helping themselves to public money only an utter fool would vote for them.

These Labour MPs said they cared about the common people but all they did was steal their money.

How very "Tory" to put money above the welfare of abused children.

Of do fuck off.

A reply that really says it all.

 

[worsleyweb]

How very "Tory" to put money above the welfare of abused children.

Of do fuck off.

A reply that really says it all.

Yes it does - your pathetic post merited it.

 

[Damocles]

Hariot Harmen and Patricia Hewitt are both serving Labour MP's who think sex with children is ok

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Amazing some people, they really are.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Of do fuck off.

A reply that really says it all.

Yes it does - your pathetic post merited it.

Oh dear , that rather compounds it.

 

[whp.blue]

You do know that that's a lie don't you?



I refer you to Damocles post above.

What is a lie? they said it or Miliiband defended them?

Show me the proof of your assertion, as fact, that Hewitt or Harman ever said it was ok to have sex with children. Then show me the proof that Milliband defended them for saying something that they didn't say.

I again refer you to Damocles post.

I haven't seen the Damocles post but I remember reading about Harmen and Hewitt and I have never read anything to the contrary if That is wrong I have learn't something today

 

[worsleyweb]

A reply that really says it all.

Yes it does - your pathetic post merited it.

Oh dear , that rather compounds it.

Point scoring about child sex abuse is a fucking joke. Stop being a prick.