The General Election Thread

[foxy]

Should have used crayons.

He missed out..

Tax the shit out of working people

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

No. We need politicians with at least 20 years experience of the real world, rather than the collection of power hungry, unprincipled, anodyne wankers we see in parliament today. You seriously think his ancillary work 'supporting his local community' was designed with anything else other than becoming an MP in mind? In any event, six years isn't nearly enough experience of the real world. As I said, it's wholly insufficient. Why can't he do another ten years 'supporting his local community' before standing for parliament?

The answer to that question demonstrates where his true priorities lie.

No mate.

We need politicians with principle. They must hold the power of their convictions sincerly and honestly and there are people on all sides who do that. I dont particularly care about a persons age, background or experience of the world, i want them to be true to thereselves.

My problem with todays politics is the negativity that surrounds it. I hear daily scare stories, lies and myths propogated by all sides and then magnified by the corresponding supporting media. This clouds debate and harms democracy.

Just now Andrea Leadsom has been on 5live propogating the myth that you run the countries finances like you would a household and its a fucking nonsense. She is better than that and a Tory i quite admire as being a very bright female mind in a party of mostly male dullards, yet she has to toe the party line. For balance Chuka was on before her and he was also propogating myth from the Labour side and he is also better than that. It makes me feel as though they think we are all stupid cunts, albeit with the caveat that a large number of the UK electorate are stupid cunts.

We do need politicians with principles, but the current set up is hopelessly failing in that regard.

The standard of UK politicians is woefully poor and that is because parliament is comprised of mainly career politicians. Their focus throughout their entire adult lives has been within the narrow and somewhat artificial world of politics. Their career path is the acquisition of power, mainly for its own ends. That is what occupies their thoughts; not the greater good. The notion that any more than a few are interested in anything but themselves is utterly comical. A particular type of person is attracted to this career path, especially at a relatively early age; it takes tremendous mental discipline and ambition. Worrying levels of ambition.

Unless we break that cycle then we will still be sat here in twenty years time bemoaning the state of politics and politicians in this country.

 

[whp.blue]

What treachery is this? Are you on about him going into a coalition with the party that won most seats?

Lots of liberal voters only voted liberal to keep the Conservatives out of office only to see Clegg jump into bed with them and sell out his principles on day one.

Day one? He said before the election he would look at forming a government with the party with the most seats. Was that too difficult a proposal for voters to comprehend?

Clearly it was as the other night there were Lib dem voters on tv saying they would never had voted for them if it meant the Conservatives were put in power, they were clearly defectors from the labour Party though.
The day one was reference for how he gave up all the Lib Dem manifesto promises on day one like tuition fees etc.

 

[masterwig]

While I have long been a detractor of the career politician I don't think 20 years outside of politics is necessarily needed.

Parliament is full of middle aged, white middle class men. I welcome anyone willing to challenge that. Some young blood would be good but not if they'll just sit on the back-bench and slavishly follow the party line in order to further their career. Which sadly is what happens under the current party whip system.

In a utopian world there would be no parties but a parliament made of independents there to represent their constituents. Unfortunately that's not practical.

 

[whp.blue]

Should have used crayons.

He missed out..

Tax the shit out of working people

No need that is set in stone in the Labour Party rule book

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Lots of liberal voters only voted liberal to keep the Conservatives out of office only to see Clegg jump into bed with them and sell out his principles on day one.

Day one? He said before the election he would look at forming a government with the party with the most seats. Was that too difficult a proposal for voters to comprehend?

Clearly it was as the other night there were Lib dem voters on tv saying they would never had voted for them if it meant the Conservatives were in power, they were clearly defectors from the labour Party though.
The day one was reference for how he gave up all the Lib Dem manifesto promises on day one like tuition fees etc.

'All' the policies? Tuition fees etc? Enlighten me on the etc, please.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Should have used crayons.

He missed out..

Tax the shit out of working people

Who raised VAT to 20% ?

 

[whp.blue]

Day one? He said before the election he would look at forming a government with the party with the most seats. Was that too difficult a proposal for voters to comprehend?

Clearly it was as the other night there were Lib dem voters on tv saying they would never had voted for them if it meant the Conservatives were in power, they were clearly defectors from the labour Party though.
The day one was reference for how he gave up all the Lib Dem manifesto promises on day one like tuition fees etc.

'All' the policies? Tuition fees etc? Enlighten me on the etc, please.

The increase in university tuition fees
The referendum on the Alternative Vote
Cameron's ‘veto’ of a proposed EU treaty
The abandonment of Lords reform

 

[foxy]

Should have used crayons.

He missed out..

Tax the shit out of working people

Who raised VAT to 20% ?

Who raised the tax free allowance to £10,600? Who has put a freeze on fuel duty?

 

[bluemoon32]

I used to get het up about politics but regardless of who gets in nothing really changes.
You pay a bit more on one thing but save a bit somewhere else and basically life goes on much the same irrespective of who actually governs us.

 

[Rascal]

Who raised the tax free allowance to £10,600? Who has put a freeze on fuel duty?

It would have been more progressive to scrap tax free allowances and not freeze duty on fuel whilst lowering VAT to 15%

The two items you mention are subterfuge in that they dont really help the poorest in society whilst benefitting the richest. Lowering VAT would have a much greater effect on the least well off as there limited income would go further and help growth. VAT is a inhibitor to growth.

 

[whp.blue]

Who raised the tax free allowance to £10,600? Who has put a freeze on fuel duty?

It would have been more progressive to scrap tax free allowances and not freeze duty on fuel whilst lowering VAT to 15%

The two items you mention are subterfuge in that they dont really help the poorest in society whilst benefitting the richest. Lowering VAT would have a much greater effect on the least well off as there limited income would go further and help growth. VAT is a inhibitor to growth.

You clearly haven't worked out how much a 5% increase in VAT puts on the price of a new Bentley or god forbid a new Helicopter or Yacht have you?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Clearly it was as the other night there were Lib dem voters on tv saying they would never had voted for them if it meant the Conservatives were in power, they were clearly defectors from the labour Party though.
The day one was reference for how he gave up all the Lib Dem manifesto promises on day one like tuition fees etc.

'All' the policies? Tuition fees etc? Enlighten me on the etc, please.

The increase in university tuition fees
The referendum on the Alternative Vote
Cameron's ‘veto’ of a proposed EU treaty
The abandonment of Lords reform

They had four policies? That must have been a decidedly thin manifesto.

 

[whp.blue]

'All' the policies? Tuition fees etc? Enlighten me on the etc, please.

The increase in university tuition fees
The referendum on the Alternative Vote
Cameron's ‘veto’ of a proposed EU treaty
The abandonment of Lords reform

They had four policies? That must have been a decidedly thin manifesto.

They didn't need a thick manifesto as they just adopted the Conservative one

 

[Rascal]

You clearly haven't worked out how much a 5% increase in VAT puts on the price of a new Bentley or god forbid a new Helicopter or Yacht have you?

They are probably all bought tax free through some Cayman Island account and then double claimed back as expenses through some Swiss based accountancy firm called Cuntslikeus and Sons.

The yachts will be registered in Liberia and the helicopters will be classed as company cars that can fly a bit.

They will then all be scrapped and claimed for on insurance and half the takings will be donated to the Tory party through one of there mates hedge funds.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The increase in university tuition fees
The referendum on the Alternative Vote
Cameron's ‘veto’ of a proposed EU treaty
The abandonment of Lords reform

They had four policies? That must have been a decidedly thin manifesto.

They didn't need a thick manifesto as they just adapted the Conservative one

 

[whp.blue]

You clearly haven't worked out how much a 5% increase in VAT puts on the price of a new Bentley or god forbid a new Helicopter or Yacht have you?

They are probably all bought tax free through some Cayman Island account and then double claimed back as expenses through some Swiss based accountancy firm called c**t and Sons.

The yachts will be registered in Liberia and the helicopters will be classed as company cars that can fly a bit.

They will then all be scrapped and claimed for on insurance and half the takings will be donated to the Tory party through one of there mates hedge funds.

As Marxist / Communist with cynical thinking like that and Knowing all the dodges you could be the Labour Party Leader. He also Talks the Talk but cashes in personally like a true capitalist.

Just for reference though there is quite a high rate of tax on Company Helicopters though.

 

[Rascal]

Just for reference though there is quite a high rate of tax on Company Helicopters though.

I have one of these. Ideal for a trip to Lidl in Wythenshawe

 

[whp.blue]

Just for reference though there is quite a high rate of tax on Company Helicopters though.

I have one of these. Ideal for a trip to Lidl in Wythenshawe

The kids I know in Wythenshawe would just see that as a challenge some of them are better armed than the Mujahideen!

A Hind would make an easy kill

 

[bgblue]

Because I had to google what anodyne meant, does that make me non-anodyne, or just a bit behind the door?