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Ducado said:
So election night, will it be the BBC, ITV or Sky news?
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BBC definitely, with a flicker to Sky to see their inevitable attempts to be classic CNN which are somehow hampered by every single story they do outside of Election Night.
 
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental **** over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are cunts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A **** on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling that because the split will be so severe and it is highly likely that even two parties would fail to achieve a majority coalition, that both Labour and the Conservatives are making excuses as to why they wouldn't form a coalition in advance?

Labour saying they wouldn't get into bed with the SNP, basically eliminates them from being able to form a majority coalition and Conservatives saying they will not do a deal with any party that would not support a European referendum in 2017, which, unless there is constitutional change in Europe before then rules out the LibDems.

Given there is no chance the SNP would ever do a deal with the conservatives and UKIP will only have I'd guess three members at best, it seems that we are going to have an extremely unstable government, one which I believe neither Cameron or Milliband are keen to lead so they are pushing their excuse in advance?

Any thoughts?
 
SWP's back said:
Very good piece in The Indy tonight:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/in-defence-of-liberal-democracy-10224221.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... 24221.html</a>


A spectre is haunting Britain – the spectre of its own end. Five years ago British democracy entered a new era. There was endless gnashing of teeth at the prospect of a first peacetime coalition since the 1930s, but disaster has been avoided. To the credit of its members, a coalition formed in the interests of the country has governed competently. It leaves a country more indebted and less influential, but stable and growing. That masks the scale of the choice facing Britain this week. At stake is the very idea of majority government, the union with Scotland, and membership of the EU. In other words, British democracy itself.
You wouldn't have guessed that from a data-driven, negative, and deeply uninspiring campaign. New ideas have been in short supply; fear has been the tool of choice; and because of our outdated electoral system, two-thirds of voters have yet again been ignored. This is a betrayal of the British people. This title believes they deserve much better. The Independent was founded on the principle enshrined in its name. We honour that again today, by declaring that we belong to no party or faction, act without fear or favour, and know our readers are wise enough to make up their own minds. That is why we will not be telling you how to vote.
A question of authority
On the question of democracy, however, we are not and will never be neutral: we believe it is precious, and must be revitalised. It is clear that not only our democracy, but our kingdom, is in some peril. It may be thought perverse for a paper with a tinge of republicanism to defend a kingdom; but we believe the union with Scotland is mutually beneficial, and crucial at a time of rapid global change.

Britain has entered a long period of relative decline, as emerging powers such as China and India acquire greater influence. To splinter our country, either through Scottish independence or withdrawal from the EU, would be fatally stupid. Moreover, the reputation of politics, following the Iraq War, the expenses crisis, and the financial crash, has sunk to a rotten low; and whoever forms a government in the coming days must at all costs be legitimate. That is not a question merely of numbers and seats. Rather it is a question of authority, and the ability to reflect the temper of the people.
As believers in pluralism, we have given plenty of coverage to minor parties - three in particular. The Greens have been a disappointment, offering an alternative to austerity that is economically illiterate. Ukip have contributed important ideas on freedom, but are essentially at war with globalisation and modernity, both of which we welcome. The SNP is an agent of change, with impressive leaders in both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. But they are a wrecking ball poised to hit Westminster and, unlike us, want to abolish Britain.

You wouldn't have guessed that from a data-driven, negative, and deeply uninspiring campaign. New ideas have been in short supply; fear has been the tool of choice; and because of our outdated electoral system, two-thirds of voters have yet again been ignored. This is a betrayal of the British people. This title believes they deserve much better. The Independent was founded on the principle enshrined in its name. We honour that again today, by declaring that we belong to no party or faction, act without fear or favour, and know our readers are wise enough to make up their own minds. That is why we will not be telling you how to vote.
A question of authority
On the question of democracy, however, we are not and will never be neutral: we believe it is precious, and must be revitalised. It is clear that not only our democracy, but our kingdom, is in some peril. It may be thought perverse for a paper with a tinge of republicanism to defend a kingdom; but we believe the union with Scotland is mutually beneficial, and crucial at a time of rapid global change.
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Britain has entered a long period of relative decline, as emerging powers such as China and India acquire greater influence. To splinter our country, either through Scottish independence or withdrawal from the EU, would be fatally stupid. Moreover, the reputation of politics, following the Iraq War, the expenses crisis, and the financial crash, has sunk to a rotten low; and whoever forms a government in the coming days must at all costs be legitimate. That is not a question merely of numbers and seats. Rather it is a question of authority, and the ability to reflect the temper of the people.
As believers in pluralism, we have given plenty of coverage to minor parties - three in particular. The Greens have been a disappointment, offering an alternative to austerity that is economically illiterate. Ukip have contributed important ideas on freedom, but are essentially at war with globalisation and modernity, both of which we welcome. The SNP is an agent of change, with impressive leaders in both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. But they are a wrecking ball poised to hit Westminster and, unlike us, want to abolish Britain.
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The main contenders
What of the main parties? Ed Miliband has had an impressive campaign. For several years, too, he has held the factions within Labour together, rightly highlighting inequality as a fundamental priority of the British people. He is clearly an economist who wants to use the state to break up monopolies and generate competition. Yet in key areas his policy prescriptions suggest a party unready for government. Tampering with tuition fees would harm universities while benefiting wealthy rather than poor students. Taxing property more is smart, but rent controls won’t work and a mansion tax is a centralising, blunt tool: much better to reform council tax instead. And though he is right not to flirt with leaving the EU, far too many businesses of all sizes fear Labour.
As for the Tories, an abiding irony of this parliament is that David Cameron, who wanted to be a social reformer, has been principally an economic reformer instead – with some success. Excessive austerity in the first phase of his reign, consistent failure to meet debt and deficit targets, and a worrying lack of productivity notwithstanding, Britain's economy is now growing reasonably well. Given the state of the Eurozone, creating two million mostly decent jobs is an exceptional achievement. Plans to create a northern powerhouse are also welcome.
This title has consistently argued that we would have liked much more to be done for the poor: the Institute for Fiscal Studies is clear they have fared worst since 2010. The young have been unfairly targeted to protect the old, the record on house-building is dire, and the NHS mismanaged. But, the economy aside, in one vital respect Tories deserve tremendous credit: a million more pupils are now at schools rated good or outstanding. This title cherishes education. Such success cannot be ignored.
Many of the good things the Coalition has done are owed to the Liberal Democrats. Nick Clegg may not personally recover from the tuition fees debacle, despite being right (eventually). But history will record him as the man who turned a party of protest into one of government. As a principled, effective politician who could hold another Coalition together, we hope he keeps his seat in Sheffield Hallam. He has confounded his Tory critics, held his party together, been a fine advertisement for a European kind of government, and championed the green agenda just as Tories abandoned it. On raising the income tax threshold, the pupil premium, early years learning and apprenticeships the Lib Dems have been a force for progress, and if he returns to government Mr Clegg should insist on being Education Secretary.
In office, but not in power
A hung parliament is certain this week. For all his talk of no deals with the SNP, Miliband is bound to rely on that party to get his legislative programme through. This would be a disaster for the country, unleashing justified fury in England at the decisive influence of MPs who – unlike this title – do not wish the Union to exist. If that were to be the case while Labour were the second biggest party either in terms of vote share, or seats – or both – how could Labour govern with authority? They could not. Any partnership between Labour and the SNP will harm Britain’s fragile democracy. For all its faults, another Lib-Con Coalition would both prolong recovery and give our kingdom a better chance of continued existence.
This title casts no vote. But we prize strong, effective government, consider nationalism guilty until proven innocent, and say that if the present Coalition is to get another chance, we hope it is much less conservative, and much more liberal.

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Beats having that unwashed twat in support.
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Ha Ha, what a complete load of fence sitting woffle.
"Withdrawal from the EU would be FATALLY stupid" the Independent boldly announces.
Yet they go on to support a future coalition that would agree a referendum that could bring about that very same fatal outcome for the country.
If you think something could be FATAL , you don't support it.
I've got more respect for the Sun.
 
Rascal said:
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental c**t over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are c**ts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A c**t on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
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That's about worst post you have ever written on here Rus, I expected better from you, the forum is a lot more diverse than it used to be and its a better place for it, do you just want everyone just to pat you on the back and agree with you?
 
Ducado said:
That's about worst post you have ever written on here Rus, I expected better from you, the forum is a lot more diverse than it used to be and its a better place for it, do you just want everyone just to pat you on the back and agree with you?
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If you could all realise that everything that I say is correct and all of your opinions that disagree are actually wrong then I'd enjoy the forum more.

Diversity is for the weak minded.

Much better everybody just accepts that I'm right.
 
Rascal said:
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental **** over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are cunts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A **** on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
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Rascal said:
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental c**t over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are c**ts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A c**t on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
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Oh fuck off. That's about all your post is worth.
 
Rascal said:
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental c**t over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are c**ts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A c**t on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
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When you're sober,you'll be ashamed
 
Paulpowersleftfoot said:
Rascal said:
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental c**t over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are c**ts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A c**t on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
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When you're sober,you'll be ashamed
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I think it might, just might be possibly be hyperbole. Not altogether ridiculous though, I have heard real people say similar shite and mean it.
 
TangerineSteve17 said:
I think it might, just might be possibly be hyperbole. Not altogether ridiculous though, I have heard real people say similar shite and mean it.
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Exactly.

He was building strawmans for the purpose of satire and a bunch of people took him seriously.

Essentially the Stephen Colbert of the politics section
 
malg said:
Coogan's a Rag, so he can eat shit.
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He has no interest at all in football, but he is interested in helping those less fortunate than himself.

I don't get the 'snob value' of voting Tory and shitting on the north, your friends and family.
 
BBC for me as I always feel I am missing out if I watch the other channels. We have the choice of BBC Wales coverage with Huw Edwards or BBC England coverage with dimbleby. May start with the UK wide coverage and then head over to the Welsh coverage when results from Wales start coming in, I doubt Wales will get much of a mention on election night so feel watching Welsh only coverage is the best avenue to go down.

Should mention that BBC Scotland's coverage will be worth watching, particularly to see labourites up there crying as they get wpied out by the SNP.
 
Rascal said:
Anecdotes.


The right wingers friend.

They know somebody through facebook who has a 3000ft telly and spends all there money on special brew and weed. The crippled guy next door was seen walking and the mental c**t over the raod managed to buy himself a loaf....which means they are FIT FOR WORK and must not take anymore of our money. There is a woman on our street who has 23 kids from 56 different dads and they are not tories so punish them by starving them. Starve the children of the poor because they will never be tories. They will never buy into what you right wing fucking idiots believe is right. thay have no choice.

Anecdote

I saw a guy having a fag today and it screamed at me that the fucker is a benefit scrounger. How dare he smoke and perhaps visit a foodbank cos he is starving. Its just fucking wrong.

Anecdote

I saw a wog/darkie/muslim/gollywog/irish/ not one of us English people in the street today and he obviously wanted to be a terrorist because just look he is different.

Anecdote

I had a beer today with a couple of friends of mine who are lesbian. They love each other and have been a couple for 20 years now but still there are c**ts who tut and moan and say i dnt want to be in a pub with those sorts......those sorts...those sorts.....FFS


Anecdote

Gordy is a tory, he has always voted tory, he is the epitome of Thatchers dream world. I like him lots he is a decent honest hard working man but his wife is very ill and he cant understand why the premise of cradle to grave socialism does not extend to his wife. She will die soon and she will die because the Tories dont care about us who have little and the system as it stands leaves him alone because of austerity cuts

Anecdote


My friend Lisa has MS, she is a grafter, she works hard but she needs help to work. .................the help that IDS promised in helping working familes. Because she can walk 20 yards she will lose her car. she will be a burden on you taxpaying righteous twats because she can walk 20 yards. She will lose her job because of her MS she cannot use Public transport....and this girl is so good at what she doesit beggars belief at the idoicy behind that thinking.

Anecdote

A c**t on the next street to me is an allright fella but he is a racist fuckwit.. he is 70 mind and thinks its ok to say to young black girls hello "coon"


I love BM and its been a big part of my life and i have met many good people on here but it has now become a sort of board that is EDL/facist obessed anti muslim anti non english joke.
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Wow

Do you have a mirror in your house?

Do you not think that if someone could be arsed that they could not write up a load of ridiculous anecdotes about your views?

You obviously live in some la-la land of idealism and it speaks well to the tolerance of a lot of posters on here - and the respect you are shown (therefore you have obviously must have earned) that you do not have people ripping into your views which sound wonderful but (IMO) are detached from the real world of 2015
 
Oh - I now see there are other posters that know you and can read into your state of mind and make allowances - again speaks well of this forum
 
This is the game changer.. from 12 minutes.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=749&v=zwGBTcIHN0U[/video]

Vote Labour, get Cameron out according to Brand.

Trew4life.
 
Setting aside how that makes him look like someone that is a bit of a butterfly with his views - if he really passionately believes what he says (rather than just being an attentions seeker) - then he must surely be thinking - If only I had issued that whilst it was still possible to register to vote
 
Len Rum said:
SWP's back said:
Very good piece in The Indy tonight:

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A spectre is haunting Britain – the spectre of its own end. Five years ago British democracy entered a new era. There was endless gnashing of teeth at the prospect of a first peacetime coalition since the 1930s, but disaster has been avoided. To the credit of its members, a coalition formed in the interests of the country has governed competently. It leaves a country more indebted and less influential, but stable and growing. That masks the scale of the choice facing Britain this week. At stake is the very idea of majority government, the union with Scotland, and membership of the EU. In other words, British democracy itself.
You wouldn't have guessed that from a data-driven, negative, and deeply uninspiring campaign. New ideas have been in short supply; fear has been the tool of choice; and because of our outdated electoral system, two-thirds of voters have yet again been ignored. This is a betrayal of the British people. This title believes they deserve much better. The Independent was founded on the principle enshrined in its name. We honour that again today, by declaring that we belong to no party or faction, act without fear or favour, and know our readers are wise enough to make up their own minds. That is why we will not be telling you how to vote.
A question of authority
On the question of democracy, however, we are not and will never be neutral: we believe it is precious, and must be revitalised. It is clear that not only our democracy, but our kingdom, is in some peril. It may be thought perverse for a paper with a tinge of republicanism to defend a kingdom; but we believe the union with Scotland is mutually beneficial, and crucial at a time of rapid global change.

Britain has entered a long period of relative decline, as emerging powers such as China and India acquire greater influence. To splinter our country, either through Scottish independence or withdrawal from the EU, would be fatally stupid. Moreover, the reputation of politics, following the Iraq War, the expenses crisis, and the financial crash, has sunk to a rotten low; and whoever forms a government in the coming days must at all costs be legitimate. That is not a question merely of numbers and seats. Rather it is a question of authority, and the ability to reflect the temper of the people.
As believers in pluralism, we have given plenty of coverage to minor parties - three in particular. The Greens have been a disappointment, offering an alternative to austerity that is economically illiterate. Ukip have contributed important ideas on freedom, but are essentially at war with globalisation and modernity, both of which we welcome. The SNP is an agent of change, with impressive leaders in both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. But they are a wrecking ball poised to hit Westminster and, unlike us, want to abolish Britain.

You wouldn't have guessed that from a data-driven, negative, and deeply uninspiring campaign. New ideas have been in short supply; fear has been the tool of choice; and because of our outdated electoral system, two-thirds of voters have yet again been ignored. This is a betrayal of the British people. This title believes they deserve much better. The Independent was founded on the principle enshrined in its name. We honour that again today, by declaring that we belong to no party or faction, act without fear or favour, and know our readers are wise enough to make up their own minds. That is why we will not be telling you how to vote.
A question of authority
On the question of democracy, however, we are not and will never be neutral: we believe it is precious, and must be revitalised. It is clear that not only our democracy, but our kingdom, is in some peril. It may be thought perverse for a paper with a tinge of republicanism to defend a kingdom; but we believe the union with Scotland is mutually beneficial, and crucial at a time of rapid global change.
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Britain has entered a long period of relative decline, as emerging powers such as China and India acquire greater influence. To splinter our country, either through Scottish independence or withdrawal from the EU, would be fatally stupid. Moreover, the reputation of politics, following the Iraq War, the expenses crisis, and the financial crash, has sunk to a rotten low; and whoever forms a government in the coming days must at all costs be legitimate. That is not a question merely of numbers and seats. Rather it is a question of authority, and the ability to reflect the temper of the people.
As believers in pluralism, we have given plenty of coverage to minor parties - three in particular. The Greens have been a disappointment, offering an alternative to austerity that is economically illiterate. Ukip have contributed important ideas on freedom, but are essentially at war with globalisation and modernity, both of which we welcome. The SNP is an agent of change, with impressive leaders in both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. But they are a wrecking ball poised to hit Westminster and, unlike us, want to abolish Britain.
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The main contenders
What of the main parties? Ed Miliband has had an impressive campaign. For several years, too, he has held the factions within Labour together, rightly highlighting inequality as a fundamental priority of the British people. He is clearly an economist who wants to use the state to break up monopolies and generate competition. Yet in key areas his policy prescriptions suggest a party unready for government. Tampering with tuition fees would harm universities while benefiting wealthy rather than poor students. Taxing property more is smart, but rent controls won’t work and a mansion tax is a centralising, blunt tool: much better to reform council tax instead. And though he is right not to flirt with leaving the EU, far too many businesses of all sizes fear Labour.
As for the Tories, an abiding irony of this parliament is that David Cameron, who wanted to be a social reformer, has been principally an economic reformer instead – with some success. Excessive austerity in the first phase of his reign, consistent failure to meet debt and deficit targets, and a worrying lack of productivity notwithstanding, Britain's economy is now growing reasonably well. Given the state of the Eurozone, creating two million mostly decent jobs is an exceptional achievement. Plans to create a northern powerhouse are also welcome.
This title has consistently argued that we would have liked much more to be done for the poor: the Institute for Fiscal Studies is clear they have fared worst since 2010. The young have been unfairly targeted to protect the old, the record on house-building is dire, and the NHS mismanaged. But, the economy aside, in one vital respect Tories deserve tremendous credit: a million more pupils are now at schools rated good or outstanding. This title cherishes education. Such success cannot be ignored.
Many of the good things the Coalition has done are owed to the Liberal Democrats. Nick Clegg may not personally recover from the tuition fees debacle, despite being right (eventually). But history will record him as the man who turned a party of protest into one of government. As a principled, effective politician who could hold another Coalition together, we hope he keeps his seat in Sheffield Hallam. He has confounded his Tory critics, held his party together, been a fine advertisement for a European kind of government, and championed the green agenda just as Tories abandoned it. On raising the income tax threshold, the pupil premium, early years learning and apprenticeships the Lib Dems have been a force for progress, and if he returns to government Mr Clegg should insist on being Education Secretary.
In office, but not in power
A hung parliament is certain this week. For all his talk of no deals with the SNP, Miliband is bound to rely on that party to get his legislative programme through. This would be a disaster for the country, unleashing justified fury in England at the decisive influence of MPs who – unlike this title – do not wish the Union to exist. If that were to be the case while Labour were the second biggest party either in terms of vote share, or seats – or both – how could Labour govern with authority? They could not. Any partnership between Labour and the SNP will harm Britain’s fragile democracy. For all its faults, another Lib-Con Coalition would both prolong recovery and give our kingdom a better chance of continued existence.
This title casts no vote. But we prize strong, effective government, consider nationalism guilty until proven innocent, and say that if the present Coalition is to get another chance, we hope it is much less conservative, and much more liberal.

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Beats having that unwashed twat in support.
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Ha Ha, what a complete load of fence sitting woffle.
"Withdrawal from the EU would be FATALLY stupid" the Independent boldly announces.
Yet they go on to support a future coalition that would agree a referendum that could bring about that very same fatal outcome for the country.
If you think something could be FATAL , you don't support it.
I've got more respect for the Sun.
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The Indy has really upset you lefties tonight hasn't it.

A referendum is not withdrawing from the EU. How many times must you be told that?

It's giving the EU a proper mandate and all parties would make a clear message to stay in. The public deserve to be heard.
 
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