The General Election Thread

[Le Havre Oswald]

Couldn't ukip just buy more seats from IKEA??
You can get them petty cheap I've heard.

 

[Pam]

The people who are saying that this majority is enough to avoid multiple (and hugely damaging) mid term and late term fiasco's are absolutely kidding themselves. They are being as giddy rags after winning the home leg of the Manchester Cup Final.

 

[EalingBlue2]

So Labour as a party is now dead as they have lost the Scottish vote, so for the foreseeable future there will only be one party winning general elections!! Can they bring the Scottish border down just past manchester as let's face it a England = London and fuck all else. Bye bye public sector hello privitisation.

Actually, this is a big issue - this result could mean the end of the Labour party in any known form. How will it get back into power now - they may just decline away.

They are unlikely to get back into Scotland - how could they? And how are they going to appeal to the majority of English voters over the next 10 years? A lurch to the 'real left' maybe what British politics needs but do that and they will likely only become increasingly marginalised.

History may demonstrate that last night was a major shift in British politics in the same way you can point to previous major parties that faded away. I absolutely do not mean this to be a casual point - I feel that there needs to be a credible left of centre balance - but I am thinking that for Labour to get back they will have to lurch like Blair did and abandon their traditional values.

Over recent times I have seen the end of the Tories in 1997, the Canadian right wiped out, the right in aus was voted out nationally and in every state in aus, the end of both the republicans and democrats. The truth is in politics everything depends on what labour, the Tories and the SNP choose to do and what external factors impact on them.

This election apart from the Scotland element was very very like 1992, labour came back from that with their biggest ever election win and followed by two more.

Most UK elections are won by the party who is closest to the centre and will the Tories react to undiluted power by moving to the right and will labour react to defeat by thinking they weren't left enough. These two elements may well shape the next 10 years.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Conservatives should be able to ride out the 5 years .
Unlike when Major was in office in the 90s
.The Tories aren't as dived as then about Europe .
Can't say I'm looking forward to 5 years of the Tories .

Major was a dead duck after Black Wednesday. The EU stuff is a sideshow.

Indeed he was. For the first time ever Labour were seen as better custodians of the economy.

Europe is also not as big a deal these days. People forget that Cameron has won a majority.
After 1997 pundits were forecasting that they may never win again. The party was in panic.
Cameron can call the extremists bluff. They're hardly likely to defect to UKIP now.
Any Tory MPs trying to bring him down will be about as popular as Tevez was after the fall out with Mancini.
Cameron has taken the Tories back to the promised land.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Yep, the tory scum won fair and square. It`s up to us workers, to stand up to the attacks on the NHS and other frontline services that the less fortunate people of our country need and rely on. The move to the right will be coming quickly. Immigrants, NHS, Disabled and mental heath sufferers and organised workers in Trade Unions, will all be targeted again. To the lib dems who supported this shower in the coalition, just fuck off and die.

Tory scum??

Fuck off and die??

Wonder how many of the people who voted Tory are workers? I would suggest a huge percentage.

Agreed. I'm a full time 'mature' student, also working 30 hours per week. The Mrs works 40 per week and studies part time.
Both voted Tory, seen my income tax contributions almost completely disappear last few years, putting more money in our pockets.
Yet labour are seen as the saviours of the workers.

Can I just ask then who pays your share for the NHS or roads or do you think VAT should be your only contribution? I'm glad you've got loads to spend on yourself must be great when you turn up in A&E thinking its all free

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

The people who are saying that this majority is enough to avoid multiple (and hugely damaging) mid term and late term fiasco's are absolutely kidding themselves. They are being as giddy rags after winning the home leg of the Manchester Cup Final.

You keep saying it and nobody is listening - least of all the electorate

 

[BillyShears]

There isn't a significant left wing presence in Bluemoon's political chattering classes.

Which is scary when you think ten years ago this forum was basically only populated by left wing loonies and De Niro was pretty much the only right wing muppet around.

 

[The perfect fumble]

 

[Pam]

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

The people who are saying that this majority is enough to avoid multiple (and hugely damaging) mid term and late term fiasco's are absolutely kidding themselves. They are being as giddy rags after winning the home leg of the Manchester Cup Final.

That maybe the case but to take advantage there would have to be a coherent opposition and it's pretty clear that there isn't.

That is even before the Labour Party rips itself apart between left, loony left and loony centre

 

[Lucky13]

People have under estimated what a great PM Dave is , he has seen off Salmond, Miliband, Clegg and Farage and at the same time delivered a majority Government. A true mandate from the Electorate.

And given the Bravehearts what they want.


He'll do 4 years then hand over the job to Boris , who will carry on the fantastic work started by Dave.

 

[Damocles]

Well said - as someone that considers myself pretty middle of the road re politics I am confused about all the comments - as flood of them it seems - in recent days about all the extreme and personal posts made by RWNJs (I think is the preferred parlance).

Yes - there may have been an increased volume of posts from people from the right in recent days - perhaps a week - but before that it felt (from my objective viewpoint) that the balance was way towards the left with every other post (or so it seemed) to be from LWNJs (for balance) seeming to just 'drown out or shout down' views that they did not care for.

There isn't a significant left wing presence in Bluemoon's political chattering classes. Most of centrist, quite a few are to the right and the left is about 4 people. Just 4 loud people.

Chabal, You, Ducado, PB??, Rascal, Pam, Len Rum, That bloke who called us Tory Scum. Trying to think of any more. The ratio is probably a reflection of the election result.

As a side note I have just walked into Manchester Piccadilly Gardens and was staggered to see the Manchester Evening news headline - 5 more years of Tory Pain. I was one of the few idiots who still bought that paper. I won't be doing from now on.

Ducado and PB are definitely more centrists than nailed on left wingers in my view and possibly theirs. Me, Chabal, Len Rum, perfect fumble and Rascal (who now seems to be gone) is more accurate. Contrast this with you, SWP, hilts, whp.blue, urmston, de niro, kas_tippler, Cheesy, Lucky13, blueinsa, etc, etc.

There isn't a significant left wing presence in Bluemoon's political chattering classes.

Which is scary when you think ten years ago this forum was basically only populated by left wing loonies and De Niro was pretty much the only right wing muppet around.

It's because we have left wing posters but they have decided not to engage any more in the Cellar because of what they see as racist, homophobic, Islamophobic or anti-Semitic, or fascistic views being aired as a norm. The problem here is that despite cries from a small view, we're a very liberal forum on what people can say and you've got to really cross over a line to get any sort of punishment meted out.

 

[Pam]

Look, it's a 100% total mandate to govern from the insane right. Roll on those by-elections.

 

[Paulpowersleftfoot]

There isn't a significant left wing presence in Bluemoon's political chattering classes. Most of centrist, quite a few are to the right and the left is about 4 people. Just 4 loud people.

Chabal, You, Ducado, PB??, Rascal, Pam, Len Rum, That bloke who called us Tory Scum. Trying to think of any more. The ratio is probably a reflection of the election result.

As a side note I have just walked into Manchester Piccadilly Gardens and was staggered to see the Manchester Evening news headline - 5 more years of Tory Pain. I was one of the few idiots who still bought that paper. I won't be doing from now on.

Ducado and PB are definitely more centrists than nailed on left wingers in my view and possibly theirs. Me, Chabal, Len Rum, perfect fumble and Rascal (who now seems to be gone) is more accurate. Contrast this with you, SWP, hilts, whp.blue, urmston, de niro, kas_tippler, Cheesy, Lucky13, blueinsa, etc, etc.

There isn't a significant left wing presence in Bluemoon's political chattering classes.

Which is scary when you think ten years ago this forum was basically only populated by left wing loonies and De Niro was pretty much the only right wing muppet around.

It's because we have left wing posters but they have decided not to engage any more in the Cellar because of what they see as racist, homophobic, Islamophobic or anti-Semitic, or fascistic views being aired as a norm. The problem here is that despite cries from a small view, we're a very liberal forum on what people can say and you've got to really cross over a line to get any sort of punishment meted out.

I must have missed all of that then

 

[Damocles]

Can I just remind people that Local Election counts are still happening and are actually MORE important than general elections in terms of the effects on your day to day lives?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results/councils" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015 ... s/councils</a>

Fantastic day for UKIP so far. They had 2 seats previously and they're already up to 21 seats after only 29 results declared out of 279.

 

[Pam]

The people who are saying that this majority is enough to avoid multiple (and hugely damaging) mid term and late term fiasco's are absolutely kidding themselves. They are being as giddy rags after winning the home leg of the Manchester Cup Final.

That maybe the case but to take advantage there would have to be a coherent opposition and it's pretty clear that there isn't.

That is even before the Labour Party rips itself apart between left, loony left and loony centre

Trust me on this - Tories running a referendum on Europe will be division and incoherence writ large. And two years down the line, the opposition will be making perfect sense.

The Tories will tear themselves to pieces and they won't recover. This will be their "Home Rule" moment.

 

[Bill]

Morning punters.
First of all congratulations to the Tories. Ruthless winners.
I think Labour got done over twice by the SNP, in Scotland (obviously) and in England where voters didn't want the SNP influencing the government in any way.
I still think Labour should have got at least around 270 seats and it's a desperately disappointing night for them.
Oh well back to supporting the real blues. I just hope they can be as ruthless at winning as the political blues.
PS I won't be taking any further notice of opinion polls in the future.

I warned you.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Look, it's a 100% total mandate to govern from the insane right. Roll on those by-elections.

14.9m Tory + UKIP v 14.5m All others combined.

So you could be said to be correct that it is a total mandate.

I wouldn't call the Tories insane though although I'll concede UKIP are!

 

[worsleyweb]

Morning punters.
First of all congratulations to the Tories. Ruthless winners.
I think Labour got done over twice by the SNP, in Scotland (obviously) and in England where voters didn't want the SNP influencing the government in any way.
I still think Labour should have got at least around 270 seats and it's a desperately disappointing night for them.
Oh well back to supporting the real blues. I just hope they can be as ruthless at winning as the political blues.
PS I won't be taking any further notice of opinion polls in the future.

I warned you.

Delighted you can rest easy for the next 5 years knowing your hard work in your small business will not be undermined by the government.

 

[Damocles]

Can I just remind people that Local Election counts are still happening and are actually MORE important than general elections in terms of the effects on your day to day lives?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results/councils" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015 ... s/councils</a>

Fantastic day for UKIP so far. They had 2 seats previously and they're already up to 21 seats after only 29 results declared out of 279.

One of my local wards has just declared - remembering that I live in an ultra safe Labour stronghold and an old pit town. Labour held it but have a majority of only a few hundred people over UKIP who came from nowhere.

Tories so far gained 2 councils and up 14 seats. Labour down one council and 1 seat.