The Green Party

I'm all ears, please do explain why my position is wrong.
Moving on to housing

"You talk about structural change to the system being needed to tackle poverty pay and the extortionate cost of accommodation... yet its entirely due to mass immigration that those issues exist in the first place, mass immigration is far and away the single biggest factor that has enabled the value of labour to be massively eroded and the demand for and cost of accommodation to be massively inflated."


the UK a housing deficit of between 4.5 million to 6.5 million homes.

We had had 2.2 million immigrants since 2010, therefore even if all immigrants lived on their own (and I know you know that's bollocks) we would still have a deficit of 2.3 to 4.3 million homes and it is therefore not "entirely due to mass immigration"
 
I would favour chemical castration, though the Catholic church covered up peadophile priests for decades and Teresa May as home secretary "lost" the Westminster peadophile ring dossiers but not a word from the far right.
Agreed.

If it was politically feasible and error-proof, I’d more than castrate them. Unfortunately it’s not.
 
Merely highlighting the sheer hypocrisy of the far right.
White men sexually abuse children and not a word, indeed Yaxley Lennon defended his friend when convicted for having indecent images of children.
It is like they don't care about the children, just want to increase racial tension to suit their agenda.
Yes. And they deserve prison and much much worse.
But lets not pretend the specifically muslim grooming gangs werent a specific problem. Because they were.

Why on earth you would spout wotaboutery ive no idea , its deflection.

Authorities turned a blind eye because of fear of offending. You get that thats a disgrace yeah?
 
should we start with

"Ah the old chestnut that "we need 10,000 immigrant NHS workers per year to save the NHS from collapsing"?... Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, we might not need those 10,000 migrant NHS workers per year if we didn't have high hundreds of thousands of potential new users of the NHS arriving in the country per year?!"

In 2010 the NHS had the highest approval rating from the population in history.
Because the government had increased spending on it year on year for 13 years the most sustained increase in funding since the beginning of the NHS. The Tory government of the early 1970's had slightly higher increases for a considerably shorter period.
Inflation in health care is as lot higher than general inflation due to increase in treatments because of research.
The most obvious way you can see this is the cost of private healthcare in the UK, which is market driven and provides the same level of care year on year and passes the costs on the the consumers. Costs of this have risen annually by 10%
Therefore to keep pace spending increases have to be a lot higher than general inflation.
The figures are all in the office of national statistics reports (about 50 of them, but you can see a digested version here https://fullfact.org/health/satisfaction-nhs-peaked-2010/)

over the next 15 years (to 2025) the total number of immigrants was 2.2 million. (again ONS figures)
That means there was an increase demand on the NHS of 3.2% due to immigration.
So if we only needed the immigrants workers in the NHS to deal with immigrants we would only see immigrant employment in the NHS at 3.2% and not 21%.

The reason the NHS is struggling is because although the government since 2010 have increased spending by 1 or 2% above general inflation. That does not meet the inflation rate of healthcare. To do that they would have to have increased spending by between 5 and 8% above general inflation.

If you think the Office for National Propaganda produce figures that are anything other than a work of pure fiction to fit the establishment narrative then I'm not sure I can help you.

To claim net immigration stood at 2.2m in the 15 years from 2010 to 2025 is an insult to anyone with a functioning brain cell.

Private health care costs can't in any meaningful way be used as a comparator for NHS health care costs, it's ludicrous to even try and suggest it's relevant.

Next you'll be claiming that according to the ONS "immigrants are net contributors to the tax take"... go on, I know you really want to.
 
Ok so then issue is with the establishment and not immigrants
so reform the establishment not stop immigrants
The establishment are entirely in favour of mass immigration because its so hugely profitable for them, that's why the country has seen mass immigration for the last 2 decades+

So by reforming the establishment and abolishing the Corporatocracy that we are currently controlled by... you will indeed end mass immigration.
 
Moving on to housing

"You talk about structural change to the system being needed to tackle poverty pay and the extortionate cost of accommodation... yet its entirely due to mass immigration that those issues exist in the first place, mass immigration is far and away the single biggest factor that has enabled the value of labour to be massively eroded and the demand for and cost of accommodation to be massively inflated."


the UK a housing deficit of between 4.5 million to 6.5 million homes.

We had had 2.2 million immigrants since 2010, therefore even if all immigrants lived on their own (and I know you know that's bollocks) we would still have a deficit of 2.3 to 4.3 million homes and it is therefore not "entirely due to mass immigration"


Again the claim of 2.2m since 2010 is utterly laughable.

You really need to stop making a fool of yourself by quoting that figure.
 
If you think the Office for National Propaganda produce figures that are anything other than a work of pure fiction to fit the establishment narrative then I'm not sure I can help you.

To claim net immigration stood at 2.2m in the 15 years from 2010 to 2025 is an insult to anyone with a functioning brain cell.

Private health care costs can't in any meaningful way be used as a comparator for NHS health care costs, it's ludicrous to even try and suggest it's relevant.

Next you'll be claiming that according to the ONS "immigrants are net contributors to the tax take"... go on, I know you really want to.

I work in the health sector and the private health costs are a good comparator. Healthcare companies profits, where they make profits (the largest provider is BUPA a non profit), have not risen above general inflation, whereas their prices have indicating an in crease in costs.

even if 2.2 million is too low, (where is your evidence? I cited my source) the level would have to be above 15 million to make your argument anywhere near correct. 15 million is about 1 in 4 or 5 of the population and there is just no evidence for that.
 
Again the claim of 2.2m since 2010 is utterly laughable.

You really need to stop making a fool of yourself by quoting that figure.


Again even if 2.2 million is too low (again you provide no evidence) you would need to get up to 12 - 15 million to make you case. as previously stated that 1 in 4 or 5 of the population. where is the evidence for that?
 
The establishment are entirely in favour of mass immigration because its so hugely profitable for them, that's why the country has seen mass immigration for the last 2 decades+

So by reforming the establishment and abolishing the Corporatocracy that we are currently controlled by... you will indeed end mass immigration.
That's just a word salad containing a statement with no evidence
why do you need to end mass immigration to reform the current establishment?
You provide no evidence that the establishment gains disproportionately compared to rest of society.
 
Polanskis stance and opinion on the iranian regime is either naive beyond belief or dangerous

And his deputy mourning the ayatollah's death in the street

Deary me.

Everyone still happy they voted green?

A little taste of things to come with them
 
Again even if 2.2 million is too low (again you provide no evidence) you would need to get up to 12 - 15 million to make you case. as previously stated that 1 in 4 or 5 of the population. where is the evidence for that?
Your entire argument is just fundamentally flawed.

You argue that all our problems are due to the billionaire entities that control every aspect of this country... I entirely agree with this premis (I won't refer to them as "the government" because we all know the government are just the puppets of these billionaires).

Yet somehow these same billionaires who run this country are in no way responsible for and have not benefitted in any way whatsoever from the mass immigration that we've seen implemented for the last quarter of a century... which is, incidentally, exactly the same time period that their obscene levels of wealth and income and their influence and control over national policy making has increased and expanded exponentially, coincidence?

Are you really so incapable of joining the dots?

If mass immigration ever somehow ceases to be so hugely profitable for the corporations, the banks and the rentier class establishment I can absolutely guarantee that mass immigration would end literally over night.
 
That's just a word salad containing a statement with no evidence
why do you need to end mass immigration to reform the current establishment?
You provide no evidence that the establishment gains disproportionately compared to rest of society.
Absolutely beyond delusional.
 
Your entire argument is just fundamentally flawed.

You argue that all our problems are due to the billionaire entities that control every aspect of this country... I entirely agree with this premis (I won't refer to them as "the government" because we all know the government are just the puppets of these billionaires).

Yet somehow these same billionaires who run this country are in no way responsible for and have not benefitted in any way whatsoever from the mass immigration that we've seen implemented for the last quarter of a century... which is, incidentally, exactly the same time period that their obscene levels of wealth and income and their influence and control over national policy making has increased and expanded exponentially, coincidence?

Are you really so incapable of joining the dots?

If mass immigration ever somehow ceases to be so hugely profitable for the corporations, the banks and the rentier class establishment I can absolutely guarantee that mass immigration would end literally over night.
well thanks for supplying absolutely no evidence to back up your argument
until you do there is no point carrying on
 
well thanks for supplying absolutely no evidence to back up your argument
until you do there is no point carrying on

You've provided no evidence to back up your position... other than heavily manipulated figures from the propaganda department of the very establishment that you're so opposed to!

You're the perfect example of a Useful Idiot, doing the bidding of the very entities you claim to be most opposed to.
 
Polanskis stance and opinion on the iranian regime is either naive beyond belief or dangerous

And his deputy mourning the ayatollah's death in the street

Deary me.

Everyone still happy they voted green?

A little taste of things to come with them
What did Zack say?
 
It is remarkable how utterly thick the voting public is, I've already seen one clip of a Gorton resident being interviewed who didn't even know the outcome of the by-election until the interviewer told her... she then proclaimed how delighted she was as she'd voted Green "because something needs to be done about all the immigration"

Well the Greens will certainly do something about immigration, unfortunately for that woman it won't quite be the thing she thinks they'll do.
Its not remarkable at all, you would find cretins vote for all the main and no so main parties.
There is pretty much nothing you can do about it. I'm pretty confident the Greens don't benefit the most from the logically challenged though.
 
Its not remarkable at all, you would find cretins vote for all the main and no so main parties.
There is pretty much nothing you can do about it. I'm pretty confident the Greens don't benefit the most from the logically challenged though.
Oh yes I agree, apparently over 60% of adults have the IQ and EQ of a typical 10-11 year old, that's a truly terrifying statistic.

I can assure you, the further left you venture politically the more logically challenged you'll find people though.

The left are so logically challenged now that they're the Useful Idiots enabling and empowering the very entities and institutions they claim to be most opposed to... it don't get more illogical than that.
 
Polanskis stance and opinion on the iranian regime is either naive beyond belief or dangerous

And his deputy mourning the ayatollah's death in the street

Deary me.

Everyone still happy they voted green?

A little taste of things to come with them
Not sure why you are putting this in grooming gangs/immigration thread :-)
 
Oh yes I agree, apparently over 60% of adults have the IQ and EQ of a typical 10-11 year old, that's a truly terrifying statistic.

I can assure you, the further left you venture politically the more logically challenged you'll find people though.

The left are so logically challenged now that they're the Useful Idiots enabling and empowering the very entities and institutions they claim to be most opposed to... it don't get more illogical than that.
I disagree, i find the right have badger level intelligence and are also incredibly dishonest, they are always trying to assure people of things they cannot know:-)
 
I disagree, i find the right have badger level intelligence and are also incredibly dishonest, they are always trying to assure people of things they cannot know:-)
How peculiar that you're implying someone does the very thing that you yourself do.

Very odd.
 

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