The Green Party

[The blue phantom]

Polanski calling out the bullshit on israel again:

"Its absolutely outrageous that they can be at the negotiating table & then our PM puts out a statement that actually condemns Iran for a retaliatory attack as opposed to Israel & America that started the bombing in the first place"

Starmer is a ****. Never forget this is a guy who stated Israel have the right to withhold power and water from the Palistinians.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Google answers most of the questions we have on legal and illegal immigration. “We need immigration to fill the thousands of jobs in the NHS and hospitality industry” ? all those jobs that our youngsters when they leave school are not trained to do anymore and those jobs don’t pay enough

It’s important to distinguish between immigrants of colour and people of non colour. “For decades we have officially “favoured white immigration” I dislike discussing immigration as invariably people are racist and mean “black or brown immigrants changing their way of life because they perceive they are different to us purely because of colour or creed”

The government are totally responsible for stoking up division, they are not honest with the electorate and continue to legally accept thousands of legal immigrants, while fanning the flames of division for people genuinely seeking asylum

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Polanski calling out the bullshit on israel again:

"Its absolutely outrageous that they can be at the negotiating table & then our PM puts out a statement that actually condemns Iran for a retaliatory attack as opposed to Israel & America that started the bombing in the first place"

I haven’t heard what the PM has said but the media are already towing the political line of the two main parties in parliament, totally out of step with the thousands of our citizens opposing the illegal bombings in Gaza and now Iran.

 

[pirate]

And as you're such a fan of official establishment figures what are your thoughts on the £10.6bn the DWP confirmed they paid out in 2025 to individuals born outside of the UK?

out of a total of 330 billion
so 10.6bn equates to 3.2% of the total
3.2 % is the percentage of the population 2.2 million immigrants represent
therefore all that shows is that they claim at the same rate as the native population or if there are more than 2.2 million as you say they claim at a lower rate than the native population

 

[jacko74]

out of a total of 330 billion
so 10.6bn equates to 3.2% of the total
3.2 % is the percentage of the population 2.2 million immigrants represent
therefore all that shows is that they claim at the same rate as the native population or if there are more than 2.2 million as you say they claim at a lower rate than the native population

Please stop just making figures up, you're doing yourself no favours at all.

£10.6bn in Universal Credit out of a total Universal Credit expenditure that stood at £67bn for 24/25.

That's not to mention the number of foreign born people receiving other benefits, such as disability benefits which are calculated separately to UC, currently standing at 158,000.

 

[jacko74]

Still no sources for you claims though, anyone with a different opinion needs a label,very Trump/ Farage. I have a wide range of views on different subjects I have voted quite a few different parties at different times don’t need to label myself.

As you claim to be so politically neutral, impartial and enlightened I'm sure you can show me an example of where you've insulted someone with left wing views on this forum and labelled them as being idiotic and childish simply for using a nickname.

I've provided numerous sources of independent facts, statistics and information to the person who requested them, please try and keep up for the avoidance of looking foolish.

You've still not explained why my views are irrational.

Thanks.

 

[pirate]

Please stop just making figures up, you're doing yourself no favours at all.

£10.6bn in Universal Credit out of a total Universal Credit expenditure that stood at £67bn for 24/25.

That's not to mention the number of foreign born people receiving other benefits, such as disability benefits which are calculated separately to UC, currently standing at 158,000.

you stated that the DWP paid out 10.6 Bn, no mention of UC.
The DWP paid out 330bn of which 67bn was universal credit.

You are now claiming all 10.6 bn was all UC, please provide a reference. I was willing to accept our figures until you changed the goalposts

 

[pirate]

As you claim to be so politically neutral, impartial and enlightened I'm sure you can show me an example of where you've insulted someone with left wing views on this forum and labelled them as being idiotic and childish simply for using a nickname.

I've provided numerous sources of independent facts, statistics and information to the person who requested them, please try and keep up for the avoidance of looking foolish.

You've still not explained why my views are irrational.

Thanks.

Also are you a mod? As someone keeps editing my reply to you.

I have no idea if i have insulted left wing people. If I find someones view idiotic, i call them out

when did i claim to be politically neutral? You appear to be making stuff up now.

editing because i pressed post before i meant to (in case it feeds into your persecusion complex)

This thread alone is 38 pages so sorry if i have read it all.

If you have posted sources before you must have them to hand to post again

 

[jacko74]

firstly i am not a mod, so no idea why you think i am modifying your postings. Irrational fear perhaps? persecusion complex? take your pick.

I have no idea if i have insulted left wing people. If I find someones view idiotic, i call them out

when did i claim to be politically neutral? You appear to be making stuff up now.

editing because i pressed post before i meant to (in case it feeds into your persecusion complex)

This thread alone is 38 pages so sorry if i have read it all.

If you have posted sources before you must have them to hand to post again

Why are you responding to my reply to BlueParrot as if I was replying to you?

Do you have multiple accounts on here to try and spout your misinformation and virtue signalling nonsense and you're now getting confused over which account your using?

And my original reply was definitely edited (twice) by someone.

 

[M18CTID]

Why are you responding to my reply to BlueParrot as if I was replying to you?

Do you have multiple accounts on here to try and spout your misinformation and virtue signalling nonsense and you're now getting confused over which account your using?

And my original reply was definitely edited (twice) by someone.

Well PM the mods then and ask why instead of cry-arsing on here about it

 

[pirate]

Why are you responding to my reply to BlueParrot as if I was replying to you?

Do you have multiple accounts on here to try and spout your misinformation and virtue signalling nonsense and you're now getting confused over which account your using?

And my original reply was definitely edited (twice) by someone.

I apologise i thought you were responding to me

message to self, read the posts more carefully

i do not have multiple accounts, just pirate

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I apologise i thought you were responding to me

message to self, read the posts more carefully

i do not have multiple accounts, just pirate

For your own sanity, I’ll just say that I haven’t seen jacko74 provide a single source of the figures he is using.

 

[jacko74]

I apologise i thought you were responding to me

message to self, read the posts more carefully

i do not have multiple accounts, just pirate

It's self evident that there's a lot of things you need to read more carefully, otherwise you wouldn't be relying on and posting so much dubious and innacurate figures.

 

[pirate]

It's self evident that there's a lot of things you need to read more carefully, otherwise you wouldn't be relying on and posting so much dubious and innacurate figures.

so provide the links

i have read the OBR stuff you suggested.
they make the case that high level workers are net contributors and that lower skilled workers are not.
however your argument was that they should all be stopped from coming in, that makes no sense.
they dont supply a split or the raw data
also why do you trust the OBR figures and not the ONS figures when they use the same source material?

MIgration watch
the numbers they quote use the ONS data and parliamentary library data
you dont trust the ONS data so why do you trust these?
even looking at the data , it shows an average immigration since 2010 of 300,000 per year, even if true thats 4.5 million in total and is nowhere near figure needed (10 - 15 million) to have the effects you claim
and having looked a bit deeper there appears to be some double counting going on, adding the parliamentary library data to the ONS data when the ONS data would include at least some if not all the parliamentary library data

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Do and try and keep up dear, I know its difficult for people with a low attention span and a middling IQ... I've provided numerous independent sources and figures.

You’ve not provided any sourcing for your figures.

Trust me bro isn’t a source.

 

[jacko74]

so provide the links

i have read the OBR stuff you suggested.
they make the case that high level workers are net contributors and that lower skilled workers are not.
however your argument was that they should all be stopped from coming in, that makes no sense.
they dont supply a split or the raw data
also why do you trust the OBR figures and not the ONS figures when they use the same source material?

MIgration watch
the numbers they quote use the ONS data and parliamentary library data
you dont trust the ONS data so why do you trust these?
even looking at the data , it shows an average immigration since 2010 of 300,000 per year, even if true thats 4.5 million in total and is nowhere near figure needed (10 - 15 million) to have the effects you claim
and having looked a bit deeper there appears to be some double counting going on, adding the parliamentary library data to the ONS data when the ONS data would include at least some if not all the parliamentary library data

Both the OBR and Migration Watch have produced data and figures that dispute and contradict figures put out by the ONS on a whole range of issues.

You must be one hell of a speed reader to have digested the complete output of both organisations in such a short space of time.

Where have I claimed we've had 10-15 million since 2010?

At least you acknowledge that independent sources other than the ONS demonstrate that immigration has been at least double what the ONS laughably claimed it to be.

It's just utterly baffling how you simply refuse to acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that the ONLY reason we've had mass immigration for the last 2 decades is because its proved to have been so massively profitable for the very billionaire entities that you despise so much.

I realise no-one likes to admit they've been made a fool of and manipulated into being a Useful Idiot but until you do accept that's the reality of the situation you're never going to see the systemic change you're so desperate to see happen.

 

[pirate]

Both the OBR and Migration Watch have produced data and figures that dispute and contradict figures put out by the ONS on a whole range of issues.

You must be one hell of a speed reader to have digested the complete output of both organisations in such a short space of time.

Where have I claimed we've had 10-15 million since 2010?

At least you acknowledge that independent sources other than the ONS demonstrate that immigration has been at least double what the ONS laughably claimed it to be.

It's just utterly baffling how you simply refuse to acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that the ONLY reason we've had mass immigration for the last 2 decades is because its proved to have been so massively profitable for the very billionaire entities that you despise so much.

I realise no-one likes to admit they've been made a fool of and manipulated into being a Useful Idiot but until you do accept that's the reality of the situation you're never going to see the systemic change you're so desperate to see happen.

"Both the OBR and Migration Watch have produced data and figures that dispute and contradict figures put out by the ONS on a whole range of issues."
yes and no
I only looked at their immigration figures
migration watch use the ONS figures plus other sources
having looked at their methodology they appear to be double counting
OBR use the same source data as the ONS

"You must be one hell of a speed reader to have digested the complete output of both organisations in such a short space of time."
i have not read everything they have put out just the latest info they published on immigrant number

"Where have I claimed we've had 10-15 million since 2010?"
you didnt but thats the figure required to cause the effects you say immigration is responsible for

"At least you acknowledge that independent sources other than the ONS demonstrate that immigration has been at least double what the ONS laughably claimed it to be."
I didnt.
I said what they reported was double, but that there appear to be some double counting to get to those figures

"It's just utterly baffling how you simply refuse to acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that the ONLY reason we've had mass immigration for the last 2 decades is because its proved to have been so massively profitable for the very billionaire entities that you despise so much."
i have seen no evidence of this and despite repeated requests you have provided none

 

[VOOMER]

out of a total of 330 billion
so 10.6bn equates to 3.2% of the total
3.2 % is the percentage of the population 2.2 million immigrants represent
therefore all that shows is that they claim at the same rate as the native population or if there are more than 2.2 million as you say they claim at a lower rate than the native population

Pensions

 

[threespires]

"Both the OBR and Migration Watch have produced data and figures that dispute and contradict figures put out by the ONS on a whole range of issues."
yes and no
I only looked at their immigration figures
migration watch use the ONS figures plus other sources
having looked at their methodology they appear to be double counting
OBR use the same source data as the ONS

"You must be one hell of a speed reader to have digested the complete output of both organisations in such a short space of time."
i have not read everything they have put out just the latest info they published on immigrant number

"Where have I claimed we've had 10-15 million since 2010?"
you didnt but thats the figure required to cause the effects you say immigration is responsible for

"At least you acknowledge that independent sources other than the ONS demonstrate that immigration has been at least double what the ONS laughably claimed it to be."
I didnt.
I said what they reported was double, but that there appear to be some double counting to get to those figures

"It's just utterly baffling how you simply refuse to acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that the ONLY reason we've had mass immigration for the last 2 decades is because its proved to have been so massively profitable for the very billionaire entities that you despise so much."
i have seen no evidence of this and despite repeated requests you have provided none

Migration Watch isn't independent is it ? It's got policy stances around lowering migration; it's entitled to have those views but plenty of researchers have said their analysis is partial or compromised. COMPAS at Oxford University/Migration Observatory has always struck me as a better source.

 

[jacko74]

"Both the OBR and Migration Watch have produced data and figures that dispute and contradict figures put out by the ONS on a whole range of issues."
yes and no
I only looked at their immigration figures
migration watch use the ONS figures plus other sources
having looked at their methodology they appear to be double counting
OBR use the same source data as the ONS

"You must be one hell of a speed reader to have digested the complete output of both organisations in such a short space of time."
i have not read everything they have put out just the latest info they published on immigrant number

"Where have I claimed we've had 10-15 million since 2010?"
you didnt but thats the figure required to cause the effects you say immigration is responsible for

"At least you acknowledge that independent sources other than the ONS demonstrate that immigration has been at least double what the ONS laughably claimed it to be."
I didnt.
I said what they reported was double, but that there appear to be some double counting to get to those figures

"It's just utterly baffling how you simply refuse to acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that the ONLY reason we've had mass immigration for the last 2 decades is because its proved to have been so massively profitable for the very billionaire entities that you despise so much."
i have seen no evidence of this and despite repeated requests you have provided none

So not even beginning to consider all the many other socio-economic impacts of mass immigration ( such as the devaluation of labour leading to unprecedented wage stagnation and suppression, increased demand for and cost of accommodation, whole communities failing to integrate in any way whatsoever and not even able to speak English as highlighted by the Greens own campaign strategy in G&D)... you don't consider £10.6bn per year in just Universal Credit alone being paid to immigrants as significant?