The Hale Eruv

[denislawsbackheel]

Instead of telegraph poles and wires all over the place, how about a GPS based app which tells people when they are entering or leaving the eruv?

Good idea.

And if a physical boundary is needed then bits of grass or tarmac could make up the barrier instead of wires strung up in the air.

I don't mind churches, synagogues and mosques on private land but I don't want people of one religion staking out an area of town which is home to people of all faiths and none, and whose roads and public spaces belong to everyone, not just the residents of the area.

Spot on.
Utterly fucking ridiculous idea.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Instead of telegraph poles and wires all over the place, how about a GPS based app which tells people when they are entering or leaving the eruv?

You need some sort of boundary to form it and religious Jews wouldn't be able to use an app on the Sabbath anyway.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Instead of telegraph poles and wires all over the place, how about a GPS based app which tells people when they are entering or leaving the eruv?

Good idea.

And if a physical boundary is needed then bits of grass or tarmac could make up the barrier instead of wires strung up in the air.

I don't mind churches, synagogues and mosques on private land but I don't want people of one religion staking out an area of town which is home to people of all faiths and none, and whose roads and public spaces belong to everyone, not just the residents of the area.

You should offer your deep halachic knowledge to the Beth Din as they're clearly lacking someone so learned with your sort of penetrating insight. I don't hold with it for completely different reasons but nothing will stop anyone of any religious belief (or none at all) using that area at any time. It will not be noticeable to anyone who isn't looking for it.

Here's what the website says on the subject:

IMPACT ON THE GENERAL PUBLIC
In developing the plan for the eruv a large number of hours have been taken to check and recheck, fences, boundaries, walls and other natural features to try as much as possible to use existing features where possible.

The the proposed Hale Eruv like almost every other eruv in the UK over 90% is formed of existing features (walls, building, fences and other boundaries) and only where there are gaps (for example roads) are any works proposed.

All works have been designed to allow free movement of all traffic and have been positioned have the smallest possible visual effect. Thw ires are very fine thread designed to fail in a safe manner if struck by any vehicle.

Experience has shown in other eruvs that once in place the eruv will go almost totally unnoticed by residents except members of the Jewish community for whom this facility is an important issue.

By proposing and hopefully in time building an eruv it has no impact on the general public and no activities are curtailed due to the eruv.

All works will be completed by approved contractors to Highways standards. Inspection and maintenance will be completed weekly and as required to ensure a complete safe and suitable eruv.

All of these works and activities are funded from charitable funds within the Jewish community and no request is made of public funds to provide this facility for the Jewish community.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

So a connecting piece of wire, miles long, is what the minimum requirement is? For this boundary? Good job it's not a brick wall that is insisted upon.

As daft as it is, it doesn't hurt anyone. So yeah, sure... if you must.

 

[york away to this!]

So a connecting piece of wire, miles long, is what the minimum requirement is? For this boundary? Good job it's not a brick wall that is insisted upon.

As daft as it is, it doesn't hurt anyone. So yeah, sure... if you must.

...unless you were an unsuspecting giraffe travelling at high speed on a motorbike...

 

[west didsblue]

There's already one big one that goes round Broughton Park, Prestwich and parts of Crumpsall. Even if you know it's there you'd struggle to find it. It helps orthodox Jews and has absolutely no impact on anyone else (except speeding giraffes). Lot of fuss about nothing.

 

[Second Skin]

I've been living in Prestwich for over 12 years and I never new we had one until I read about the Hale one.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

There's already one big one that goes round Broughton Park, Prestwich and parts of Crumpsall. Even if you know it's there you'd struggle to find it. It helps orthodox Jews and has absolutely no impact on anyone else (except speeding giraffes). Lot of fuss about nothing.

If it's that hard to spot, just say it's there. My point being it's there to remind them of the boundary but they've made it nearly invisible - how does that remind someone? Sounds like an alarm clock designed not to make a noise.



No offence meant, btw.

 

[malg]

Jesus, what a pile of pump.

 

[west didsblue]

There's already one big one that goes round Broughton Park, Prestwich and parts of Crumpsall. Even if you know it's there you'd struggle to find it. It helps orthodox Jews and has absolutely no impact on anyone else (except speeding giraffes). Lot of fuss about nothing.

If it's that hard to spot, just say it's there. My point being it's there to remind them of the boundary but they've made it nearly invisible - how does that remind someone? Sounds like an alarm clock designed not to make a noise.



No offence meant, btw.

To be honest, I can't understand why religious people follow all sorts of rules which seem bizarre to the average person, but if that's what they want to do and if it doesn't have any effect on people who don't follow these rules then I don't know why anyone would have a problem with it.