The Harry Kane Team 2017/18

[JimB]

Makes me laugh when you hear Spurs fans being all high and mighty on the rights and wrongs of money in football. They had a go at buying the league in the 90s and Sugar did a pretty piss poor job of doing it, who remembers Quinn, Rosler, Walsh and Stevie Lomas playing them off the park in the 5-2?

The glass ceiling is there for Spurs as all funds are diverted into stadium building, does anyone think Kane and Ali will stick around because their new stadium has a micro brewery and fancy cheese board?

I know that many Spurs fans do behave like that but I reiterate that that isn't my stance. As I said, the only thing that jarred with me was the notion that it was somehow praiseworthy to sneer at fans of other clubs for continuing to support those clubs even when they haven't won much, if anything, of late. It seemed, to me, to be an especially odd thing for a City fan to say, given your history of sticking with your club through some really bad times, and sadly symptomatic of modern attitudes within football.

 

[East Level 2]

I know that many Spurs fans do behave like that but I reiterate that that isn't my stance. As I said, the only thing that jarred with me was the notion that it was somehow praiseworthy to sneer at fans of other clubs for continuing to support those clubs even when they haven't won much, if anything, of late. It seemed, to me, to be an especially odd thing for a City fan to say, given your history of sticking with your club through some really bad times, and sadly symptomatic of modern attitudes within football.

How about when an entire club is part of a group of five equally diseased arrogant bastards and sneers at other clubs by demanding gate receipts should be retained by home clubs and threatens a breakaway league if their demands are not met?
Spurs were an integral part of the "big-clubs only" mentality that spoilt English football for many years. Chelsea and City have pissed on your chips and perhaps the resultant gloating hurts even more as you were setting yourselves up to be one of the gloating clubs.

 

[Machiavelli]

How about when an entire club is part of a group of five equally diseased arrogant bastards and sneers at other clubs by demanding gate receipts should be retained by home clubs and threatens a breakaway league if their demands are not met?
Spurs were an integral part of the "big-clubs only" mentality that spoilt English football for many years. Chelsea and City have pissed on your chips and perhaps the resultant gloating hurts even more as you were setting yourselves up to be one of the gloating clubs.

In 1983 Spurs were the first English PLC football club. They (along with the other money grabbers) created this landscape, we didn't.

 

[west didsblue]

It will be interesting when they play the rags at old toilet in a fortnight. If they can overcome Mourinho’s brand of anti-football and come away with a win, they will definitely be our main competition this season now they appear to have got over their Wembley hoodoo.

 

[GSW Blue]

Tottenham are a huge club with a glorious history including winning the league twice (56 and 66 years ago).

 

[Easy]

I know that many Spurs fans do behave like that but I reiterate that that isn't my stance. As I said, the only thing that jarred with me was the notion that it was somehow praiseworthy to sneer at fans of other clubs for continuing to support those clubs even when they haven't won much, if anything, of late. It seemed, to me, to be an especially odd thing for a City fan to say, given your history of sticking with your club through some really bad times, and sadly symptomatic of modern attitudes within football.

Can't wait to see all your best players leave. Walker has started the revolution and many will soon follow.

Spurs were always a stepping stone club and they always will be. Absolutely zero ambition from the owners to win anything significant just like Arsenal.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Makes me laugh when you hear Spurs fans being all high and mighty on the rights and wrongs of money in football. They had a go at buying the league in the 90s and Sugar did a pretty piss poor job of doing it, who remembers Quinn, Rosler, Walsh and Stevie Lomas playing them off the park in the 5-2?

The glass ceiling is there for Spurs as all funds are diverted into stadium building, does anyone think Kane and Ali will stick around because their new stadium has a micro brewery and fancy cheese board?

I generally agree with you there bud, Spurs fans have never really been a set of fans I could talk with about football, many angry and quite deluded, but to be fair to Jim, reading his posts on here, he isn't one of them and has always been very balanced and honest in his views.

 

[mccity]

wow just was perusing the goal scorer and assists tables and glanced at the shots table. Harry Kane has taken by far the most shots in the premier league with 50. The next highest is Lukaku with 32. Considering he has only scored 6 goals that is a ridiculous amount of shots. This seems a bit wasteful to me and surprised the amount of shots he is taking never gets brought up as a negative.

You make a good point and I've brought this up before on the Harry Kane thread but it got buried in misunderstanding (to be polite).

His high shooting style is part of the reason he scores a lot. I referred to it as a law of averages (look it up folks) kind of thing. A guy with his ability in theory should score a good number if he shoots a lot. It's very comparable to Ronaldo when he first rocked up at R. Madrid; he'd just shoot at every opportunity and unsurprisingly he scored a load too.

Obviously its major limitation is when he's deprived of shooting opportunities. This will happen in games either where teams outplay Tottenham completely (rare) or against teams set up to stifle them. That's not to say he won't score in these games. But it's likely that he won't score in a game that he's not able to get 7-8 shots off.

 

[JimB]

How about when an entire club is part of a group of five equally diseased arrogant bastards and sneers at other clubs by demanding gate receipts should be retained by home clubs and threatens a breakaway league if their demands are not met?
Spurs were an integral part of the "big-clubs only" mentality that spoilt English football for many years. Chelsea and City have pissed on your chips and perhaps the resultant gloating hurts even more as you were setting yourselves up to be one of the gloating clubs.

In 1983 Spurs were the first English PLC football club. They (along with the other money grabbers) created this landscape, we didn't.

Fellas, you're missing the point.

I'm not criticising City for anything they've done. Nor am I exonerating Spurs for anything they've done. So implying hypocrisy on my part is something of a straw man.

I repeat, for the third time, my only intervention was against the notion that it should somehow be deemed praiseworthy to sneer at other fans who stick by their clubs despite winning little to nothing. Surely that is symptomatic of so much that is wrong with fan culture in modern football? It seemed all the stranger to me for jimmygrimble to write what he did given that City fans so emphatically did stick by their club through do many thin years.

 

[flobo]

Fellas, you're missing the point.

I'm not criticising City for anything they've done. Nor am I exonerating Spurs for anything they've done. So implying hypocrisy on my part is something of a straw man.

I repeat, for the third time, my only intervention was against the notion that it should somehow be deemed praiseworthy to sneer at other fans who stick by their clubs despite winning little to nothing. Surely that is symptomatic of so much that is wrong with fan culture in modern football? It seemed all the stranger to me for jimmygrimble to write what he did given that City fans so emphatically did stick by their club through do many thin years.

They are not having a go at fans sticking by their clubs
It's about Spurs fans and others constantly bleating about City having/spending more money than other clubs
I think City's turnover is £400m that helps pay big wages/transfer fees

 

[GornikDaze]

Finally got round to watching MOTD... will the Harry Kane team fill their new stadium? There seems a lot of empty seats about at Wembley

 

[Nasri's Hair]

You make a good point and I've brought this up before on the Harry Kane thread but it got buried in misunderstanding (to be polite).

His high shooting style is part of the reason he scores a lot. I referred to it as a law of averages (look it up folks) kind of thing. A guy with his ability in theory should score a good number if he shoots a lot. It's very comparable to Ronaldo when he first rocked up at R. Madrid; he'd just shoot at every opportunity and unsurprisingly he scored a load too.

Obviously its major limitation is when he's deprived of shooting opportunities. This will happen in games either where teams outplay Tottenham completely (rare) or against teams set up to stifle them. That's not to say he won't score in these games. But it's likely that he won't score in a game that he's not able to get 7-8 shots off.

While I agree with the law of averages I think it goes beyond that. If you are taking 50 shots and only making 6 it goes just beyond taking a lot of shots it means you are taking bad shots in my opinion (haven't watched many Spurs games to know for sure). I am not saying play the possession game like City, but they have a really good squad and think passing it around a little more instead of shooting so much would help the team

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Spurs are the only other team i enjoy watching currently. An England side based on our and their young guns would be something to behold.

 

[JPBB]

It is obviously true that Spurs are further down the food chain than City, United, PSG, Barca, Bayern, and Real but they do sit with some pretty illustrious company - Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Juve, Dortmund, the Milan clubs, Atletico. That itself is a massive achievement considering where they were after Sugar had destroyed the club. It is credit to the skills of Levy and Lewis as businessmen that the growth to where they are now has been organic.

There is a plan to join the elite clubs and Levy hopes that a NFL franchise and a deal with Facebook will drive that.

Does it matter if Kane, Eriksen, Alderweireld and Dele are sold? Not in the great scheme of things. We all know there are plenty more good players out there. It probably does matter if Pochettino leaves. That is why Levy is working so hard to tie him into the success of "the project". I have no doubt that Levy will offer Pochettino options in the future of Spurs and that has the potential to make Pochettino richer than even the most dizzying offer from Real when Levy and Lewis sell to Facebook.

The question is whether Pochettino wants to remain with Levy or try his luck with Real? Only knows Pochettino what he will do when Real come calling. However, I am not sure the answer is as clearcut as it looks. It is obvious that Pochettino likes Levy, likes the project and likes Spurs, I don't think the money will be the issue (see above) and he knows that there are ex-Real managers who today are working in less glamorous jobs. It is not always a golden ticket but of course no one, not even Spurs fans. could criticise him for going.

 

[JimB]

They are not having a go at fans sticking by their clubs
It's about Spurs fans and others constantly bleating about City having/spending more money than other clubs
I think City's turnover is £400m that helps pay big wages/transfer fees

Read the post by jimmygrimblesboots a page or two back which kicked off this particular discussion. If what he meant was what you claim, then he did an extraordinarily bad job of explaining himself. What he actually wrote was nothing more than a sneering, smug and arrogant attack on fans of clubs who continue to follow their teams despite not winning much, if anything by way of silverware.

 

[chris63]

Good result for spurs, but we need Real Madrid to finish top of their group so we dont draw them in the knockout stage.
Thats if we finish top of our group of course.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Good result for spurs, but we need Real Madrid to finish top of their group so we dont draw them in the knockout stage.
Thats if we finish top of our group of course.

If Spurs finish above them it means, as I suspect, they aren't the force they used to be and I'd fancy us to beat them over two legs, particularly as that scenario would mean we are at home in the second leg. A lot of business to attend to first though.

 

[Chipmeister]

I've watched Madrid most weeks this season and they do appear to be not what they were last season, it might be a hangover and slow start but not convinced Ronald n Benzema will be as good as they were last season.

 

[City_Sean]

I've watched Madrid most weeks this season and they do appear to be not what they were last season, it might be a hangover and slow start but not convinced Ronald n Benzema will be as good as they were last season.

They're definitely on the decline. Credit to Spurs, It's an incredible result for them. They could easily finish top of their group.

 

[JPBB]

Six defenders plus Winks and Sissoko holding, defending deep, hitting long balls to Llorente and Kane. If Mourinho had done there would be an outcry on here. Also Klopp would never be allowed to play like that.