The Hillsborough Family Support Group Against Safe Standing.

Squatter said:
jrb said:
Let's not beat around the bush. Nice bit of spin there. It's not believe. They 'don't want' safe standing. Even you must be able to see through the carefully chosen words.

Goven a choice, they would not have standing/safe standing back ever. Fact!
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Again, they're entitled to that opinion and you shouldn't shout them down, they're saying what they believe is right.

If my kids died in that fashion, I'd be against it too, no matter how many people said they wanted it to come back. You'd have nightmares about it forever.

For the record, I'm 100% in favour of bringing back terraces and I believe it can be done safely. Think it would be brilliant, even if it was just 10% of the stadium.
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That's fair enough Squatter.

But you know just like me they will use the emotional card on the PL and Government to get 'their way'. When in reality, fans are already standing, up and down the country, week in, week out, at most football grounds.

Their fight/cause is oudated. It's time to move on.
 
Sheriff Fatman said:
Standing per se was not dangerous.

Standing in caged paddocks was unsafe.

Standing in open ends like The Kop, The Kippax, stretford end, North Bank etc was safe. (unless you were sussed as an away fan!!).
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Well Said ...
 
It was the game against west ham in the fa cup a few seasons ago when our club started to let us stand again, the few games before that they were kicking people out for standing. Sending out letters telling people they had to move seats for one game, giving them a clear run at anyone they had id for standing. Before that game the crowd were let say not as loud as we are now and I would say that is down to them now letting us stand. They let us stand because they wanted a better reaction from the home crowd, I don't remember anyone being hurt since they have let us stand in the south stand even when we do the Poznan!!! Yes it is very sad what happened but that was then this is now. Hillsborough was down to bad crowd control with the ticket allocation, bad police control, bad ground conditions ie the fencing and also down to some people wanting to get in at any cost all of those thing do not happen today and if they did they would not happen altogether as they did on that fateful day.
 
It's bollocks, I can't understand how in 2011 the people in charge can not arrange safe standing, they clearly do not want it to happen for whatever reason, be it keeping football more exclusive and prices higher or fuck knows what, it is a joke though and I'd say the vast majority of people with any involvement in football want it to happen.

The lady on Granada reports before did slightly annoy me. I know they must have been through hell, but safe standing should not be ruled out, without considering it fully, because of that incident. There have been plane crashes, but you don't hear the victims family calling for a ban on air travel.
 
What next? all leaving the stadium together? walking down stairwells in a crowd. Bring on stair-lifts i say.
 
Standing did not kill any supporters, but big metal f**king cages may have had something to do with it.

If the authorities really believe standing to be unsafe, then how do they justify people being allowed to stand at concerts, they can't, and this is why any argument they may have is bull.
 
I don't think they will ever allow standing again, but if they did it wouldn't take long before some numpty ruined it and it was scrapped.

Found this on the net:
"More standing room should also see a reduction in ticket prices, which can only be a good thing for the fans"

Yeah right as if they will reduce the ticket price! If it is that popular as fans make out they would double the price.
 
Whilst you can sympathise with the Group, Hillsborough was not to do with standing but with the fact that there were fences, combined with shockingly bad crowd management by the authorities supposedly in charge.

One of the lines trotted out by the Government is that more women and children attend games due to all-seater stadia. Whether the statistics prove that or not - and I seem to recall more than a few women and children on the Kippax - it's all to do with social control and trying to change the demographic of football crowds. Lots of happy clappies politely applauding, absolutely no swearing, you may stand 'intermittently', more 'families' who are seen as less likely to do anything that may be deemed offensive. Rugby fans can stand, and you can stand at pop concerts in football grounds.

The fact that in Germany they've successfully had safe standing areas for years, such as at Borussia Dortmund and Schalke, defeats the argument entirely. Nobody is saying that fans shouldn't be able to sit, but that there should be separate safe standing areas for those who wish to stand. Which is a hell of a lot when you look at matches around the country. And this would also stop the conflict between some who wish to stand and some who wish to sit in the same area.

We're lucky that City have a relaxed policy on this, some clubs are a nightmare.
 
Indestructable said:
I don't think they will ever allow standing again, but if they did it wouldn't take long before some numpty ruined it and it was scrapped.

Found this on the net:
"More standing room should also see a reduction in ticket prices, which can only be a good thing for the fans"

Yeah right as if they will reduce the ticket price! If it is that popular as fans make out they would double the price.
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They won't reduce tickets prices because safe standing would not increase the capacity of the stand. If the German example is followed,the seat is still there but you are able to stand in front of it.
 
Too many sensible points there, Beehive.
Yet why do these people never mention German grounds, concerts, rugby, lower league grounds?
 
ancoats said:
what could they do if everybody was to stand up at games
they could not kick out everybody

the game needs the fans end of
without the fans what would the clubs do for money
if everybody got behind it then it would happen next season

safe standing is the way forward in england
even if you had the corners levels it would be a start
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I agree with your sentiment about standing annd I think it would be good for the game....

What could they do....? Well thats another question altogether. If they were really determined I guess they wouldforce repeat offending clubs to play behind closed doors for starters.And I bet they could too.
 
Standing was safe and could be again. Even in paddocks and with the fences at the front it was still safe. Stood in many of them and it wasn't dangerous. Allowing too many people to cram in to them makes it dangerous.

It's double standards. Got to any decent gig and there is a crush at the front worse than most football matches. Especially for certain bands and festivals. Ok you can argue that there may be more aggression at a football game than a gig but not always true.

Darren Gough came out with a story about someone getting scolding hot bovril over because of standing at a football match and so standing should never be allowed. Sympathies to whoever suffered the scolding but you have probably more chance of copping for a hot drink over your head if you are sat down below the person walking in with it.
 
nwhn3 said:
Indestructable said:
I don't think they will ever allow standing again, but if they did it wouldn't take long before some numpty ruined it and it was scrapped.

Found this on the net:
"More standing room should also see a reduction in ticket prices, which can only be a good thing for the fans"

Yeah right as if they will reduce the ticket price! If it is that popular as fans make out they would double the price.
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They won't reduce tickets prices because safe standing would not increase the capacity of the stand. If the German example is followed,the seat is still there but you are able to stand in front of it.
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Im not sure your right fella, you can get into the standing section cheaper than when its seated at the Westfalenstadion... And it has different capacities for all seated and seated/standing matches...

"It has a league capacity of 80,720 (standing and seated)[3][4] and an international capacity of 65,718 (officially seats only).
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What happend at Hillsborough was awful and i cannot imagine what the family members feel like.

But the HSG need to realise that football has moved on, and it has moved on for the better.

They need to stop blaming terracing for their terrible losses, it had nothing to do with terracing.

How many deaths have been caused by introducing safe standing in Germany?
How many deaths have been caused by away fans standing up for 90mins in a seated area?

Safe standing is excatly what it says it is - SAFE and the HSG need to stop thinking that football is like it was in the 1980's.
 
heard some crap for the anti standing lot today, more women & kids go to football now! thats more to do with all the hype around the premier league then all seater stadiums, there some shite seater stands around the country like the ones at Wigan (new stadium, nightmare at half time) & Everton. the stadiums will still have more seats than terracing, and media/FA hangers on will still get their freebies, so whats the problem ?
 
Bluearmy said:
nwhn3 said:
They won't reduce tickets prices because safe standing would not increase the capacity of the stand. If the German example is followed,the seat is still there but you are able to stand in front of it.
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Im not sure your right fella, you can get into the standing section cheaper than when its seated at the Westfalenstadion... And it has different capacities for all seated and seated/standing matches...

"It has a league capacity of 80,720 (standing and seated)[3][4] and an international capacity of 65,718 (officially seats only).
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I stand corrected.

I was under the impression they just sold the seat space, however, this would not seem to be the case.
 
ancoats said:
what could they do if everybody was to stand up at games
they could not kick out everybody

the game needs the fans end of
without the fans what would the clubs do for money
if everybody got behind it then it would happen next season

safe standing is the way forward in england
even if you had the corners levels it would be a start
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It needs TV More. as proven in recent years money is all that matters to clubs. People have been priced out, corporates are getting more tickets to Chelsea away than real fans and we are having to watch games at 6pm just for Tv!
 
Just wait until the next pop concert at COMS.

Sitting will go out of the window.

*Standing*
Drink
Drugs
Sex
And rock and roll.

MCFC, MCC, H&S and the licensing authorities will all turn a blind eye.

Yet mention safe standing at a football match and...........(fill in as appropriate)

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PS.

If Dan Johnson was honest and had any balls he would admit there is nothing wrong with safe standing. Especially if you limit it to one stand or one section of a stand.

What really gets me is the lies these people pedal. They go out with a brief knowing full well it's a load of bollocks and basically lie and push their agenda, because they can.
 
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