pirate said:if you live in a democracy with universal suffrage then terrorists are never freedom fighters.
because they have a non violent and legitimate alternative through elections.
terrorists are only freedom fighters when they have no peaceful and legitimate alternative.
so the IRA ARE FUCKERS nothing more nothing less.
talkativesprout said:mammutly said:Some interesting comments which I think illustrate the power of the media and he way the troubles were reported in England. The record of The British Army in Ireland is of course littered with 'atrocities', but whilst troops were "murdered" the other side were merely "shot dead".
Unfortunatly it wasnt media driven comment. A close family member served 5 tours during the troubles. and they used the footage to show (scare) squaddies what can happen when caught in "bandit" country.
The concrete slab was in relation to 2 guys caught out at a funeral.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/20/world/2-british-soldiers-killed-at-ira-rites.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/20/world ... rites.html</a>
Iron bars my arse, thats what was a press release.
BoyBlue_1985 said:I found out something the other day about a certain football club owner that "helped" the IRA during the troubles. I disliked the man before but if said person was right i now despise the man
johnmc said:BoyBlue_1985 said:I found out something the other day about a certain football club owner that "helped" the IRA during the troubles. I disliked the man before but if said person was right i now despise the man
Similar to John lennon then
red 2 hats said:Yeh, got loads of respect for an organisation that bombed Warrington the day before Mothers Day and killed 2 kids, that gained my respect like the Manchester, Birmingham, London, Belfast bombings they sure knew how too gain respect, fuckers to a man / woman.
red 2 hats said:Yeh, got loads of respect for an organisation that bombed Warrington the day before Mothers Day and killed 2 kids, that gained my respect like the Manchester, Birmingham, London, Belfast bombings they sure knew how too gain respect, fuckers to a man / woman.
johnmc said:pirate said:if you live in a democracy with universal suffrage then terrorists are never freedom fighters.
because they have a non violent and legitimate alternative through elections.
terrorists are only freedom fighters when they have no peaceful and legitimate alternative.
so the IRA ARE FUCKERS nothing more nothing less.
What are your views on some of the acts of the British army during the troubles then? Such as murdering innocent protesters. So people who did protest peacefully as you say they should were shot and killed for doing so.
pirate said:when proven the offenders should face the harshest penalties available under the law.
I am assuming you are discussing bloody sunday etc.
Yes awful, yes probably covered up by the government, but at no point was the right to vote organise and protest taken away.
Are you saying that such acts by the british establishment justify the actions of the IRA? because there are two main problems with that
1)An eye for an eye leads to everyone being blind.
2) bloody sunday happened years after the start of the troubles.
johnmc said:pirate said:when proven the offenders should face the harshest penalties available under the law.
I am assuming you are discussing bloody sunday etc.
Yes awful, yes probably covered up by the government, but at no point was the right to vote organise and protest taken away.
Are you saying that such acts by the british establishment justify the actions of the IRA? because there are two main problems with that
1)An eye for an eye leads to everyone being blind.
2) bloody sunday happened years after the start of the troubles.
When proven? It has been and no one was prosecuted. As for the countless other incidents they were swept under the carpet years ago. Torture was in widespread use.
I am nit trying to justify the actions of the IRA and I dont believe I have tried to as you cannot defend the undefensible.
However, if you put yourself in the shoes of a 16 year old lad in the 1970's in Northern Ireland, possibly seeing your mum get raped and your dad beaten by soldiers, your house raided several times a week for no reason, being arrested and held for no reason, not having anywhere to turn to as the authorities were as guilty as anyone, basically living as a second class citizen in your own country due to the rule of another then I can understand why some did. Thats not saying it was the right thing to do as two wrongs never make a right.
Imagine we lived under German rule and the soldiers battered your wife week in week out and there was nothing you could do, how would you feel. Would you want to injure the germans for doing so? You wouldnt be right retaliating but if anyone harms my family I want to harm theirs back - thats my nature and Im sure it is plenty of others on here as well.