The IRA

[UlsterCitizen]

I can see your pointing out why people where motivated to join the IRA but they were still joining / funding an organisation that was happy to do this on their behalf

When the provos started to attack non military targets they also attacked members of the Irish government and members of the Gardai so they lost the right to call themselves freedom fighters they then lost a great deal of support.I am too young to remember but my dad and grandad put it to me this way.
The pressure exerted by the ira in some areas even in the republic was horrific from businesses 'helping' the cause to actively recruiting in less well off areas. I have friends serving at the moment that come home at night and are gone by morning and in both world wars Irish fought and died alongside Britsh troops. When the leaders of the 1916 rising were led out of the GPO many Irish slagged them off because of this very reason.
I think its very hard for most English people to understand us but years of hardship as a nation at the hand of another is hard to forget,it can be forgiven but I dont think ever forgotten.Its hard to put into words the shame you feel crossing a border in your own country but it is there nontheless.
I for one hope as time goes on less and less influence will be held by these groups but in times of recession there is a whole generation with nothing to do and their angers and frustrations will be channelled somewhere.

But if the partition has not happened, you would have had a massive loyalist uprising, you have a section of the population who do not want to be part of the whole

Shadz the concept of being embarressed about the border is something i had never considered, can you ever see an all ireland bearing in mind the fact that the south is basically bankrupt or would you accept my theory that its further away now than its ever been

 

[Shadz69]

I can see your pointing out why people where motivated to join the IRA but they were still joining / funding an organisation that was happy to do this on their behalf

When the provos started to attack non military targets they also attacked members of the Irish government and members of the Gardai so they lost the right to call themselves freedom fighters they then lost a great deal of support.I am too young to remember but my dad and grandad put it to me this way.
The pressure exerted by the ira in some areas even in the republic was horrific from businesses 'helping' the cause to actively recruiting in less well off areas. I have friends serving at the moment that come home at night and are gone by morning and in both world wars Irish fought and died alongside Britsh troops. When the leaders of the 1916 rising were led out of the GPO many Irish slagged them off because of this very reason.
I think its very hard for most English people to understand us but years of hardship as a nation at the hand of another is hard to forget,it can be forgiven but I dont think ever forgotten.Its hard to put into words the shame you feel crossing a border in your own country but it is there nontheless.
I for one hope as time goes on less and less influence will be held by these groups but in times of recession there is a whole generation with nothing to do and their angers and frustrations will be channelled somewhere.

But if the partition has not happened, you would have had a massive loyalist uprising, you have a section of the population who do not want to be part of the whole

I dont know the answer but if you offered me Ireland as a whole or as it is now I would take it whole.In the republic Catholic and Protestent live in peace.Combined schooling and sports will go a long way to healing wounds and as I said before time and forgiveness on both sides can only help.

 

[UlsterCitizen]

When the provos started to attack non military targets they also attacked members of the Irish government and members of the Gardai so they lost the right to call themselves freedom fighters they then lost a great deal of support.I am too young to remember but my dad and grandad put it to me this way.
The pressure exerted by the ira in some areas even in the republic was horrific from businesses 'helping' the cause to actively recruiting in less well off areas. I have friends serving at the moment that come home at night and are gone by morning and in both world wars Irish fought and died alongside Britsh troops. When the leaders of the 1916 rising were led out of the GPO many Irish slagged them off because of this very reason.
I think its very hard for most English people to understand us but years of hardship as a nation at the hand of another is hard to forget,it can be forgiven but I dont think ever forgotten.Its hard to put into words the shame you feel crossing a border in your own country but it is there nontheless.
I for one hope as time goes on less and less influence will be held by these groups but in times of recession there is a whole generation with nothing to do and their angers and frustrations will be channelled somewhere.

But if the partition has not happened, you would have had a massive loyalist uprising, you have a section of the population who do not want to be part of the whole

I dont know the answer but if you offered me Ireland as a whole or as it is now I would take it whole.In the republic Catholic and Protestent live in peace.Combined schooling and sports will go a long way to healing wounds and as I said before time and forgiveness on both sides can only help.

Id have to disagree with you on that one mate, think were better off sticking to the good old pound for a while yet lol

 

[Shadz69]

When the provos started to attack non military targets they also attacked members of the Irish government and members of the Gardai so they lost the right to call themselves freedom fighters they then lost a great deal of support.I am too young to remember but my dad and grandad put it to me this way.
The pressure exerted by the ira in some areas even in the republic was horrific from businesses 'helping' the cause to actively recruiting in less well off areas. I have friends serving at the moment that come home at night and are gone by morning and in both world wars Irish fought and died alongside Britsh troops. When the leaders of the 1916 rising were led out of the GPO many Irish slagged them off because of this very reason.
I think its very hard for most English people to understand us but years of hardship as a nation at the hand of another is hard to forget,it can be forgiven but I dont think ever forgotten.Its hard to put into words the shame you feel crossing a border in your own country but it is there nontheless.
I for one hope as time goes on less and less influence will be held by these groups but in times of recession there is a whole generation with nothing to do and their angers and frustrations will be channelled somewhere.

But if the partition has not happened, you would have had a massive loyalist uprising, you have a section of the population who do not want to be part of the whole

Shadz the concept of being embarressed about the border is something i had never considered, can you ever see an all ireland bearing in mind the fact that the south is basically bankrupt or would you accept my theory that its further away now than its ever been

I am 41 now and never thought I would see the day N.i. had peace so I live in hope.It will take special people on all sides but if we stand together peacefully I think eventually it will get there.

 

[southaustralianblue]

But wernt the many of the loyalists imported into NI in order to bolster the english position. Im struck by how many Browns and Smiths you come across

 

[Shadz69]

But if the partition has not happened, you would have had a massive loyalist uprising, you have a section of the population who do not want to be part of the whole

I dont know the answer but if you offered me Ireland as a whole or as it is now I would take it whole.In the republic Catholic and Protestent live in peace.Combined schooling and sports will go a long way to healing wounds and as I said before time and forgiveness on both sides can only help.

Id have to disagree with you on that one mate, think were better off sticking to the good old pound for a while yet lol

That I dont blame you for but it is a fucker trying to pass on N.I. sterling in England.I keep them seperate now.Euros,sterling and N.I sterling.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Thank fuck we paid no attention to this bullshit during WW2. And no, it is not momentary, it works and is effective, otherwise we'd be writing this in between stacking bodies in ovens.
Anyway, back to the brave and resourceful IRA...

I'll stick with Gandhi but thanks anyway.

 

[Anonymous]

I dont know the answer but if you offered me Ireland as a whole or as it is now I would take it whole.In the republic Catholic and Protestent live in peace.Combined schooling and sports will go a long way to healing wounds and as I said before time and forgiveness on both sides can only help.

Id have to disagree with you on that one mate, think were better off sticking to the good old pound for a while yet lol

That I dont blame you for but it is a fucker trying to pass on N.I. sterling in England.I keep them seperate now.Euros,sterling and N.I sterling.

That bugs the shite out of me too.

Yet when researching "legal tender" and such in order to write a letter of complaint to Victoria Wines for refusing an NI tenner as payment for 8 cans of the glorious 'Bow, I discovered it is up to the particular shopkeep as to whether to accept it or not! In fact they can refuse "English" sterling too. Just because it's legal tender it does not make them obliged to accept it as payment.

Proper gutted as I was on the sniff for some free 'Bow by way of compensation!

 

[UlsterCitizen]

But wernt the many of the loyalists imported into NI in order to bolster the english position. Im struck by how many Browns and Smiths you come across

Youve just opened a whole new can of worms lol

 

[Shadz69]

Id have to disagree with you on that one mate, think were better off sticking to the good old pound for a while yet lol

That I dont blame you for but it is a fucker trying to pass on N.I. sterling in England.I keep them seperate now.Euros,sterling and N.I sterling.

That bugs the shite out of me too.

Yet when researching "legal tender" and such in order to write a letter of complaint to Victoria Wines for refusing an NI tenner as payment for 8 cans of the glorious 'Bow, I discovered it is up to the particular shopkeep as to whether to accept it or not! In fact they can refuse "English" sterling too. Just because it's legal tender it does not make them obliged to accept it as payment.

Proper gutted as I was on the sniff for some free 'Bow by way of compensation!

Yep had a couple of embarrassing situations one in a hotel I was asked Is this even real?