The LA Wildfires

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
No different other than there isn't 10's of thousands of people living on the Moors
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Very true, but that wasn’t part of the conversation at that time.

I was simply responding to the small fire started in a back yard bit.

Apologies if it’s come across as crass. I assumed it would have been obvious, but this is the second response on the same lines about it.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Very true, but that wasn’t part of the conversation at that time.

I was simply responding to the small fire started in a back yard bit.

Apologies if it’s come across as crass. I assumed it would have been obvious, but this is the second response on the same lines about it.
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No worries, thanks
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
No different other than there isn't 10's of thousands of people living on the Moors
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People don't live on the Moors for a reason, it's harsh but they'd get burnt out numerous times a generation if they did.

There really needs to be a grown up discussion about where people live with climate change. If the fire doesn't get you the flood's will unless the authorities decide to use their single brain cell.

Having housing close to forestry or water that's likely to flood isn't the best idea moving forward.

This would actually require sensible adults to have a discussion, where money isn't the overriding factor, so it won't happen.
 
May or may not be relevant, but CNN reported that the fire chief said a $17m budget cut to the LAFD’s $800m budget meant the FD was unable to complete its usual brush clearing inspections. Where I live in a small town north of SF in the hills, the FD comes by my house and everyone else’s every late spring after the rainy season and ensures all brush is cut back to a certain distance from any structures. We don’t have much but our neighbo(u)rs do, and they dutifully weed whack all wild grasses flat. Likewise in Oregon where we have a home, and fires are common, we must annually be inspected and cut back all trees to five or more feet from structures. There are also regular controlled burns in the state and national forests near us to clear out excess dry timber. With 100 mph wind gusts and rainfall less than 10 percent of normal for the year I am not sure any of this would have mattered in LA but I hope the lesson is invest in, listen to and support your local FDs.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
People don't live on the Moors for a reason, it's harsh but they'd get burnt out numerous times a generation if they did.

There really needs to be a grown up discussion about where people live with climate change. If the fire doesn't get you the flood's will unless the authorities decide to use their single brain cell.

Having housing close to forestry or water that's likely to flood isn't the best idea moving forward.

This would actually require sensible adults to have a discussion, where money isn't the overriding factor, so it won't happen.
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So the hurricanes in Florida and the Carolinas? No one should live there?
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
So the hurricanes in Florida and the Carolinas? No one should live there?
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Tornados through the Midwest and Texas. Blizzards and ice storms in the north and the mountains. Earthquakes in California; volcanoes in Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest, not to mention forest fires in all these places too.

There’s nowhere to hide!
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
So the hurricanes in Florida and the Carolinas? No one should live there?
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You limit the danger as best you can. If you want to live in an area that is surrounded by forestry or live close to a river that that burst's it's bank's regularly then that's your choice.

All I'm saying is these things aren't going to get any better moving forward, and people need to think about that when deciding where they want to live.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Guess it’s no different to the moors fires over here being started by one tiny barbecue.

If the ground is tinder box dry, then they take some stopping.
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The perfect storm, the winds coming off the canyons down to the ocean absolutely terrifying, the burning embers in the air make it impossible to control any of the fires.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
www.theguardian.com

Hottest year on record sent planet past 1.5C of heating for first time in 2024

Highest recorded temperatures supercharged extreme weather – with worse to come, EU data shows
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

And yet people just want to continue burning their head into the sand. We are fucked.
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To be fair I don't believe people are, big business are and governments are but the average person is hit by so much shit from the soup chucking dickheads to a few loud deniers they don't know what to do.

I'd even go so far as to say there's fuck all anyone can do apart from shinf and whinge about it, sit back grab a drink of choice and wait for the inevitable while big business wants more people to be born to be customers and workers.

I put my waste in separate containers for the councils to shove it all in landfill, most green initiatives are nothing more than vanity projects, the little people can't change this without seriously decreasing the worlds population consuming more and more resources.
 
mexico1970 said:
To be fair I don't believe people are, big business are and governments are but the average person is hit by so much shit from the soup chucking dickheads to a few loud deniers they don't know what to do.

I'd even go so far as to say there's fuck all anyone can do apart from shinf and whinge about it, sit back grab a drink of choice and wait for the inevitable while big business wants more people to be born to be customers and workers.

I put my waste in separate containers for the councils to shove it all in landfill, most green initiatives are nothing more than vanity projects, the little people can't change this without seriously decreasing the worlds population consuming more and more resources.
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There is 8 billion people on this planet, I always take issue with people bringing out the 'we can't do anything'. Actually we all can, but sadly nobody wants to change the way they live and this is the shit heap we are in.

Big corporations are just catering to peoples wants and without massive government pushback, aren't insentivised to do anything.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
There is 8 billion people on this planet, I always take issue with people bringing out the 'we can't do anything'. Actually we all can, but sadly nobody wants to change the way they live and this is the shit heap we are in.

Big corporations are just catering to peoples wants and without massive government pushback, aren't insentivised to do anything.
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Mate it's all pie in the sky, by the time the human race feel the water at their feet it still wont matter, we can do nothing as a collective because we just aren't capable.

Again, too many people using too many resources, it isn't going to change and the planet will remove us from it, it's the animals I feel sympathy for not us.

So all the gnashing of teeth does is make what little time we have on here as miserable as possible, we really are cunts and it's so easy to project false virtues knowing fuck all is ever going to get done without billions of people just disappearing off the planet.
 
Didn’t take long. The conspiracy nutters have said they were started by lazer beams just like Hawaii.

Dickheads.
 
mexico1970 said:
Mate it's all pie in the sky, by the time the human race feel the water at their feet it still wont matter, we can do nothing as a collective because we just aren't capable.

Again, too many people using too many resources, it isn't going to change and the planet will remove us from it, it's the animals I feel sympathy for not us.

So all the gnashing of teeth does is make what little time we have on here as miserable as possible, we really are cunts and it's so easy to project false virtues knowing fuck all is ever going to get done without billions of people just disappearing off the planet.
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Agreed it's the biodiversity I feel most sorry for. Don't feel a lot for humanity.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
www.theguardian.com

Hottest year on record sent planet past 1.5C of heating for first time in 2024

Highest recorded temperatures supercharged extreme weather – with worse to come, EU data shows
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

And yet people just want to continue burning their head into the sand. We are fucked.
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It doesn’t help when arsonists start fires though and people take barbecues up onto the moors and such like in the summer months, when they are specifically advised not too.
 
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