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Yeah sorry to correct you but I was referring to the Trust overall not just the hospitals as a whole. Even this contradicts you and is the report from 4 years beyond the one you quote. In fact it mirrors the migrations figs - 2021 = 10k in the Hospitals - 2024 15k. Those recruits are from where? There are so many more people who work outside a hospital but still work for the Trust.

I think you might have meant 12k but typed 122k.
 
Did you make a point of asking them their nationalities so you could write this post or is it yet another “story” of yours that fits the narrative?

You shouldn't be so dismissive, the security staff at my entrance to the Etihad are Nigerians, I recognised their accent coz I used to live there, I asked them if they were Nigerians and they said they were, they're Yoruba. Now every time I see them we talk about Nigerian high life, jollof rice and Gulder beer and we briefly chew the fat, they're pleased that someone knows about their country and has positive vibes about it, coz guess what? They're proud Nigerians and they love their country, it's not a big thing.
 
.....Secondly, immigrants contribute more to the fiscal ledger than they cost, families included. We’ve been importing labour since the year dot and the arguments against it are like Groundhog Day.

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About Norwich - a city which in the 16th century was about one third immigrants.

England is a land of immigrants. The very first human beings set foot here from Doggerland to hunt 10,000 years ago. With the mighty Ice Age glaciers retreating, the land was perfect for hunting large elk and mammoth. People have been coming from other lands to settle here ever since. With the Beaker People, Celts, Romans, Saxons, Anglo Scandinavians, Normans and many other cultures coming here from other countries, we have always been a mix of peoples. Norwich is no exception. Our own immigrant settlers have appeared in Norwich since the Normans arrived in the 11th Century. They brought French Jewish communities to help with finances. In the 1500s, from mainland Europe, came Protestant refugees. They brought Norwich large sums of money, to the point where our city became second only to London in terms of wealth. These people became known locally as The Strangers. Like any new settlers, they received a sizeable amount of xenophobia, as seems to be an unfortunate common theme among those less accepting. Despite this, they made such a mark on our city that we still celebrate them today.

Manchester was a quarter Irish 150 years ago, and a lot of the rest from other parts of Britain.

Once more, the roll call of immigrant wealth-creators in the NW in the 19th century before we restricted immigration: Beyer-Peacock, Renold Chains, Clayton Aniline, ICI (Brunner-Mond), Ferranti...
 
Fuck me! After reading that I'd pack your bags and drive you to the airport myself!

It was said of Thatcher that she loved the country, she just hated the people in it. You strike me more like Blair, he was Prime Minister of a "better" country that existed entirely in his head, he was often disappointed how the people who actually live in it fell short and he still is.



The Blair years certainly made things better for a lot of society....
 
Firstly, immigrants keep our services going. Health care, social care all rely on immigrant labour.

Secondly, immigrants contribute more to the fiscal ledger than they cost, families included. We’ve been importing labour since the year dot and the arguments against it are like Groundhog Day.

The weird thing is the UK integrates immigrants far better than most European nations. You only have to look at recent and current political party leaders in England, Scotland and Wales to see that.

We’re a funny old lot at times :)
Do you seriously believe that we are successfully integrating this ammount of people at the rate they are coming in ? That is clearly utter nonsense. The facts with regards to lack of housing and the waits and strains this is putting services for education, social and health care simply do not back up that assertion. These issues are simply swept under the carpet when people say things like this. Yet in the very next thread you and others are complaining about them and blaming everyone else including the previous government , apart from labour of course under who's government mass immigration took off massively in the 1990s. You simply refuse to see the link and blindly only see the positives.
 
About Norwich - a city which in the 16th century was about one third immigrants.

England is a land of immigrants. The very first human beings set foot here from Doggerland to hunt 10,000 years ago. With the mighty Ice Age glaciers retreating, the land was perfect for hunting large elk and mammoth. People have been coming from other lands to settle here ever since. With the Beaker People, Celts, Romans, Saxons, Anglo Scandinavians, Normans and many other cultures coming here from other countries, we have always been a mix of peoples. Norwich is no exception. Our own immigrant settlers have appeared in Norwich since the Normans arrived in the 11th Century. They brought French Jewish communities to help with finances. In the 1500s, from mainland Europe, came Protestant refugees. They brought Norwich large sums of money, to the point where our city became second only to London in terms of wealth. These people became known locally as The Strangers. Like any new settlers, they received a sizeable amount of xenophobia, as seems to be an unfortunate common theme among those less accepting. Despite this, they made such a mark on our city that we still celebrate them today.

Manchester was a quarter Irish 150 years ago, and a lot of the rest from other parts of Britain.

Once more, the roll call of immigrant wealth-creators in the NW in the 19th century before we restricted immigration: Beyer-Peacock, Renold Chains, Clayton Aniline, ICI (Brunner-Mond), Ferranti...
Very true we area land of immigrants and undoubtedly better for it, however there is clearly a rate at which immigration reaches a point where successful integration is not possible. I would suggest that anyone who thinks we are capable of successfully integrating the current number of people coming in is living in cloud cukkooland. The facts simply do not back up this statement.

If these recently released numbers are sustainable why is the new government criticising them?

And if you still think they are sustainable, can I ask what do you think is the maximum level/ rate of immigration above which integration would cause problems, if you think therenis such a level? I would suggest that rate is about 50,000 per annum, primarilly based on our capacity to build housing and the current backlog in this area.
 
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Yeah sorry to correct you but I was referring to the Trust overall not just the hospitals as a whole. Even this contradicts you and is the report from 4 years beyond the one you quote. In fact it mirrors the migrations figs - 2021 = 10k in the Hospitals - 2024 15k. Those recruits are from where? There are so many more people who work outside a hospital but still work for the Trust.

You said 122k Asians.
 

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