The Labour Government

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Lets encourage people to get into work and then charge them £16 k (£23k before tax and NI ) to get there,
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Add £20-24k in child care costs and that is, what, best part of £50k coming out of a households pay just to work?

I’ve no idea why people don’t bother.
 
I’ll probably be on the beach when the budget is announced so looking forward to the comments from our knowledgable Bluemoon friends ;-)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
better to look on the bright side.
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Better still to call it what it is.

A damaging and entirely avoidable further tax raid, caused by an incompetent Chancellor pushing borrowing far beyond sensible or sustainable levels just a year ago, and who has subsequently lost control of public expenditure, caused in large part by botched attempts to reform welfare expenditure.

The dire performance of the Labour leadership, and their loss of authority across their party, dictates that this tax raid will be increasingly focussed on a small number of internationally mobile higher earners, while welfare expenditure will (perversely) actually be increased in an attempt to delay any move to replace the prime minister.

Meanwhile, the circus of speculation and briefings in the run up to the Budget has damaged economic confidence- over and above that already caused by the NIC hike- and further measures will be required next year when tax receipts again fall short of expectations.
 
ROBSH34 said:
Budget predictions.

Probably a million miles from what will happen but here goes.

VAT abolished on petrol. However petrol duty to be increased in line with what is currently is paid in VAT . In addition the 5p freeze on petrol duty to be removed.

Booze. Reduction in booze duty for drinks bought in pubs and restaurants. Increase in duty for booze bought in supermarkets. This will be done under the banner of protecting jobs in the hospitality industry.

Home deliveries. A levy to be charged on home delivery of food and parcels ( Deliveroo and Amazon etc) . This will be done to try and help the high street fight back and ensure these companies pay their way for the added congestion they cause.

An indication that a mileage charge will be levied on EVs . The government has seen reduced income from petrol duty.

Just a guess for fun.
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I'd support these.

I'd tie in Deliveroo,Amazon and Uber drivers with migration. And make it official people seeking asylum are given jobs in this industry whilst waiting for their claims to be processed. Which would also prevent some of the nefarious practices taking place in these industries.
 
metalblue said:
This budget has been nothing but a shambles with the constant u turns.
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Please send me the winning lottery numbers for next Saturday.....


Nothing ... I repeat Nothing has been announced yet (checks notes * it happens tomorrow) until it is announced there can be NO U turns.

All you are doing is speculating .... its like (Not So) Cleverly on Sky this morning announcing that all the multi millionaires are leaving the country.. but couldn't put a number to it.


Don't fall for the Millionnaires / Daily Mail / Daily Express / Tory Party Playbook.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Please send me the winning lottery numbers for next Saturday.....


Nothing ... I repeat Nothing has been announced yet (checks notes * it happens tomorrow) until it is announced there can be NO U turns.

All you are doing is speculating .... its like (Not So) Cleverly on Sky this morning announcing that all the multi millionaires are leaving the country.. but couldn't put a number to it.


Don't fall for the Millionnaires / Daily Mail / Daily Express / Tory Party Playbook.
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You’re speculating that I am speculating.
 
metalblue said:
Add £20-24k in child care costs and that is, what, best part of £50k coming out of a households pay just to work?

I’ve no idea why people don’t bother.
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I've no idea why £60 a day travel costs is suddenly the norm....
 
I fear in the wider scheme of things the budget will be irrelevant. Starmer and Reeves have always sought to position themselves as pragmatic grown ups, almost technocratic in their approach. Whether you think they are doing a decent job of that or are completely incompetent is imo totally irrelevant because to position our current issues as fixable through technical or economic policy means I think is to misunderstand where we are at this point in history.

The root of our problems are not mismanagement of the economy by an individual Chancellor be that a red one or a blue for that matter. Our problem is that from the perspective of ordinary people our system is completely and utterly fucked and the world is sliding into a variety of different flavours of authoritarianism. This is not an issue fixable by trying to wrangle economic policy within an economic system that in itself has increasingly become a fundamental part of the problem. Though you can't fully decouple them, the capture of the nation state is a political not an economic problem. The current labour government doesn't at this time have anywhere near the political juice to address this, if anything their refusal to do anything other than tactical politics has surrendered the narrative to a party who only want power so they can finish the job and impoverish virtually everyone. I'd like to think someone could mobilise a mass movement before the only option for change becomes something more chaotic as and when the next stage of the latest industrial revolution bites. But who?
 
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NPBlue said:
Honestly, you just can't see whats happening.

The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. Neoliberalism has facilitated that.

At some pont in the future, their increasing wealth will be enough to impact your life in a negative way.

You are, literally, spouting the nonsense they want you to believe, with all the propoganda they sponsor in the media they own and echoed by the politicians they own.

I'll tell you what theft is. Deca millionaires and billionairs taking money for goods and services from people that can barely afford them, making huge profits from those barely affordable payments, and paying themselves huge salaries and bonuses to enrich themselves to such a degree they have absolutely no use for all the money they have amassed. Back street money lenders operate like that. It's like collecting stamps to them, money for money's sake, and for the life of me I can't understand why you want to protect that position when it will come and bite you in the arse at some point in the future.

What is immoral is the way they have conditioned the ordinary person into accepting taxing them is wrong. It isn't.

In the years wealth was taxed, we had social programmes that worked, food banks didn't exist, ordinary people enjoyed having an increasing standard of living, and the wealthy weren't penalised to the extent you may imagine.

If you don't believe they should be taxed in a fair way, then say hello to increasing struggles in your life.

They really don't care about you, but appreciate your support.
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You sound like they aren't taxed at all. The top 1% pay 29% of all our taxes already. People need to stop being so bitter and needy and blaming anyone but themselves. The welfare state should be there to support those genuinely in need not those for whom it's a lifestyle choice. I cannot fucking bare this "I want more money spent on x, y or z, and I want someone other than me to pay for it". Drives me nuts. What happened to personal responsibility? I wish we had 50 Elon Musks in this country. It would be a massively better place if we had. We have none, and the richest one we did have - Mittal - has now fucked off because of what Labour has done and is doing. Fucking disaster.

I can see are never going to agree on this but that's my perspective. End of.
 
Ric said:
If this is true, then it's a disgrace.

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I think that's made up?

Edit: Looks like it's true that it's a briefing but unsure if would be made into government policy.

I think the idea is crimes that would lead to imprisonment of 5 years or less would be heard by a new tier of court.

So Magistrates, this new tier and then the Crown court.

I think if you're on the edge of what sentence you could face, you can choose either this new tier or the crown. Just like you can now between Magistrates and the Crown.
 
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