The Labour Government

I think if we have learned nothing over the last couple of decades.. we have perhaps discovered that the issue many assumed was just another wild conspiracy, is, yet again, blatantly true. That being... politicians are nothing but entirely owned front men/women, putting a face on the mechanics of the real power.

These people are installed, often with limited talent other than being able to obfuscate and deflect questions. If we actually made potential political representatives sit an exam on history, sociology, the financial system and international affairs, I think we would get a shock as to how dim many of them actually are.

In regards to Labour.. (the other mob are not worth attempting to save) It's only a few decades ago for instance that Labour politicians would enter front line politics via intensive, hands on, training provided by the unions. Weekend courses on all things politics. Great leaders and oratory skills came from that system. Compare and contrast to now, where 90% of Labour members of parliament come via the modern route of a politics degree at Oxford, an informal vetting process while there to see where their ultimate loyalties lie and which organisations or countries would never be questioned, the later sometimes nailed down by paid for trips. Then they miraculously get adviser jobs in Parliament before a few years of sitting around the commons cafeteria, literally waiting for the death of incumbent MPs like vultures on the savanah and IF they've said the right stuff.. they get an opportunity. When they do get in, because of the ownership model, they get instructed in what to say, do and how to respond. The are all dullards and completely see through but the media system (who are owned by the same people) ignore the fact and gaslight us into acceptance of these chumps!

The system is ENTIRELY corrupted. Our representatives are not representing us. The primary job of Polanski should he get in would be to sweep the system away. Up MPs wages, remove any 2nd jobs, spurious funding, remove the corporate lobby system, rid ourselves of the neo classical economics model, bring in a system of direct instruction to MPs via mini referendum. A vote in the house comes up, the various constituencies are balloted on how they would like their representative to vote and that ballot is published before the vote is cast. We have tried for decades to accept the "we know better" or 'we are privy to secret info" model of representation... It's failed...catastrophically!!

Time for an entirely new system. Get rid of Parliament in London, move it around the nation, perhaps if MPs see more people living in bus stops or attempt to drive to the neighbouring city of Sheffield from Manchester, driving over a 12th century mountain pass, then perhaps more would get done. I would also instigate weekly drugs and alcohol tests like many in work get. And I would regularly check on who they are meeting with.

Nothing will change in this nation if Einsteins description of madness


The Mandelson affair is everything that’s wrong with politics, every thing we thought we escaped with the appointment of Starmers Labour Party from Johnson’s corrupt conservatives.

It’s lasted 18 months and here we are again, did Starmer know about Mandelson’s continued association with Epstein before he was appointed. ? I think Starmer did know and didn’t think it mattered ? The electorate will give their verdict in May.
 


The Mandelson affair is everything that’s wrong with politics, every thing we thought we escaped with the appointment of Starmers Labour Party from Johnson’s corrupt conservatives.

It’s lasted 18 months and here we are again, did Starmer know about Mandelson’s continued association with Epstein before he was appointed. ? I think Starmer did know and didn’t think it mattered ? The electorate will give their verdict in May.


Everyone knew about Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein. It was in the public domain. The extent and depth of that relationship was not so well known, perhaps, but no one is denying there was a relationship.

If you think Starmer should resign because he appointed Mandelson, then fine and I assume those that think this said so at the time of the appointment, given Mandelson’s character (or lack of it) is an open secret.
 
In my opinion He gambled as Mandelson was a mate and 'accomplice' of the shitgibbon with the plan he'd keep the orange one reasonably happy and we'd not get stuffed on tariffs etc.

This although potentially if it worked would be good for the country but, I'd imagine Starmer knew what he was doing and what skeletons were in the closet.

Should he have risked the gamble? Probably not as Trump is so unstable ....Well he lost the bet, you lose you pay the piper.
 
In my opinion He gambled as Mandelson was a mate and 'accomplice' of the shitgibbon with the plan he'd keep the orange one reasonably happy and we'd not get stuffed on tariffs etc.

This although potentially if it worked would be good for the country but, I'd imagine Starmer knew what he was doing and what skeletons were in the closet.

Should he have risked the gamble? Probably not as Trump is so unstable ....Well he lost the bet, you lose you pay the piper.
Not sure Mandelson was his mate but he definitely knew he was a shitgibbon accomplice. Where Starmer miscalculated was how appalling Shitgibbon would end up being, and having someone on the inside meant nothing as Trump would shit on anyone from a great height if it suited his mood on a particular day whatever relationship he might have with the accomplice.
 
That’s a fair point. The passing of information is a serious matter and one I had forgotten about.
I’m not in any way defending Starmer here. In fact, I said the other day that he shouldn’t have gone anywhere near Mandelson with a shitty stick regardless of the Epstein stuff given his previous but I thought the revelation of Mandelson passing on info only came out in the past few months with the release of some of the Epstein files and long after Mandelson had been sacked anyway?

While there are many genuine questions as to how much Starmer did and didn’t know, I can’t see how he could’ve known what was in those files until they were released?
 
Not sure Mandelson was his mate but he definitely knew he was a shitgibbon accomplice. Where Starmer miscalculated was how appalling Shitgibbon would end up being, and having someone on the inside meant nothing as Trump would shit on anyone from a great height if it suited his mood on a particular day whatever relationship he might have with the accomplice.
Just to clarify I meant a mate and accomplice of Trump, not Starmer.

He just ticked the boxes for a Starmer gamble.
 
I’m not in any way defending Starmer here. In fact, I said the other day that he shouldn’t have gone anywhere near Mandelson with a shitty stick regardless of the Epstein stuff given his previous but I thought the revelation of Mandelson passing on info only came out in the past few months with the release of some of the Epstein files and long after Mandelson had been sacked anyway?

While there are many genuine questions as to how much Starmer did and didn’t know, I can’t see how he could’ve known what was in those files until they were released?
Passing on information is part of it but I’m more concerned for the same reason Andrew was thrown out of the RF, Mandelson was communicating with Epstein a known sex offender in jail for trafficking young girls and women. 2019

Starmer still employed Mandelson as American ambassador showing a lack of judgement as he was aware of Mandelson’s continued association with Epstein
Plus Mandelson was a known risk on his assessment from the home office
 
Passing on information is part of it but I’m more concerned for the same reason Andrew was thrown out of the RF, Mandelson was communicating with Epstein a known sex offender in jail for trafficking young girls and women. 2019

Starmer still employed Mandelson as American ambassador showing a lack of judgement as he was aware of Mandelson’s continued association with Epstein
Plus Mandelson was a known risk on his assessment from the home office
Yeah, totally agree - the whole thing is a shitshow and I can’t see how Starmer survives this
 
You know it's not really a story that interests most people it's being driven my our media who are addicted to political drama like the sports press they are after clicks so they create the drama, Starmer will survive this a bit battered and bruised but he will survive
The "Westminster bubble" journalists are like the court of Versailles pre revolution. Their podcasts are just gossip and knowing winks whilst giving their mates* a free pass.



*Mates as in give them access in return for protecting them. Farage/Streeting/Cleverly for example.
 
Unemployment down by 0.3%-good news. it may be temporary but good news all the same. Waiting for the usual suspects to belittle it.
 
Unemployment down by 0.3%-good news. it may be temporary but good news all the same. Waiting for the usual suspects to belittle it.
That’s actually great news. More people in work, off the safety net, and paying taxes.

I think the economy was doing well, as well, but will be probably eaten up by the needless war in the Gulf.
 
Milliband on tv “I wouldn’t have appointed him with what was known”.
 
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Unemployment down by 0.3%-good news. it may be temporary but good news all the same. Waiting for the usual suspects to belittle it.
Im not a usual suspect unfortunately but the data seems to indicate its just less people actively looking for work. There are some surmising that its graduates who have just given up looking whilst studying which may be the case. Considering that a lot of job in hospitality which used to employ students on an ad-hoc basis have gone to the wall, it wouldn't be a surprise.

According to the ONS the number of people in paid employment actually fell over the same period.

Its all smoke and mirrors if you ask me when it comes to the actual figures, due to previous governments forever changing the technical definition of unemployment.

What I can say is that business remains tight across the sectors Im involved with and these are the ones that are allegedly getting investment, so recruitment has been significantly scaled back.
 
If companies are paying shit wages for long hours and hard work with impossible bonus targets. No wonder people think nah.

The company I work for consistently change the name of the roles and have cut pay in one department by £10,000 a year. They expect the people in that rate with the new title to work the same as the people on the original contracts. Then they bemoan high turnover and put in 3 year "loyalty" clauses to stop the people being trained there and fucking off to other companies that pay 12 grand a year more for the same job. Meanwhile the MD gives himself a 6 figure performance bonus...
 

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