The Labour Government

[Postman Pep]

Completely unintentional apparently .... as was the fact that the full quote was exactly fourteen words long ;-)

 

[meltonblue]

Completely unintentional apparently .... as was the fact that the full quote was exactly fourteen words long.

They are thick, by the look of it. The rhetoric was bad enough, doesn’t need the false comparison.

Does show how awful he is as a political communicator though.

 

[mackenzie]

I live in a southern coastal town where the employment options are very limited. It's either tourism or working in a care home or assisted living places. Because it's so flat it's a highly attractive place for seniors. What I do see is the number of vacancies in care and in relation to those who have severe disabilities that their one to one supporters are always from overseas. Given we have an ageing population and an obesity crisis I really cannot understand what landscape Starmer is viewing

Neither can I. And that worries me.

 

[metalblue]

Labour getting India Trade deal, US Trade deal and announce tougher measures to bring down migration figures.
Bad couple weeks for Reform. Well done Starmer.

And there goes what little credibility you had left….

 

[Oldham Exile]

Fascists. I assume you're comparing Farage to Hitler and Mussolini? You need to get a grip.

good call - this is how it goes.............

Close down any discourse by labelling people as thick, racist, fascists, etc

Just the usual playbook

 

[shackattack]

I live in a southern coastal town where the employment options are very limited. It's either tourism or working in a care home or assisted living places. Because it's so flat it's a highly attractive place for seniors. What I do see is the number of vacancies in care and in relation to those who have severe disabilities that their one to one supporters are always from overseas. Given we have an ageing population and an obesity crisis I really cannot understand what landscape Starmer is viewing

I see this all the time ( no doubt it'll be deemed racist ) but my attitude is this. An employer is very limited at who they recruit as the number of applicants will often be lower than the vacancies available. That's at point of interview, then you have to process it and induct those same people. Overseas workers will often tolerate far more and not challenge employers and will often work much longer hours. It's why professions such as care and catering will rarely pay decent wages.

 

[bluenova]

Completely unintentional apparently .... as was the fact that the full quote was exactly fourteen words long.

"In a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important. Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together"

Totally the same as...

"For reasons which they [the White British population] could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

Ps. I am curious? What's the relevance of the quote, which is 16 words long, being 14 words long?

EDIT: I looked up the 14 word thing. Who the fuck was sad enough to make up that conspiracy, and get it wrong?

 

[meltonblue]

good call - this is how it goes.............

Close down any discourse by labelling people as thick, racist, fascists, etc

Just the usually playbook

Is it?

In my personal experience the discourse happens first which then displays someone is one of those things (ultimately we all are, it’s just people don’t like to admit it nowadays).

Then there’s an emotive debate about it and because it’s the internet, no one will ever change their opinion once they’ve stated one.

I’d love to hear a rational reason for voting for reform that isn’t purely emotive that could then trigger a genuine debate. I’m still yet to hear one though that doesn’t fall down very quickly.

 

[Kompany Car]

Those coming in to work in the care sector are a soft target where they can in the short-term show results. The impact/damage will be considerable. Those who come on boats cannot be controlled. One area they should clamp down on are the supposed students who enrol in dodgy colleges and then disappear into the black economy.

To be fair there are people who are supposedly joining the care sector and coming to the UK using visa issued on that pretence. The jobs dont exist when they arrive. Again organised criminals exploiting the system and people.

That said the care sector alone does enough exploitation, pay minimum wage on what amounts to a zero hours contract or in some cases self employed, minimum pension, minimum sick pay and accrued holidays, whilst charging £30 plus per hour for a basic visit to administer tablets and maybe make a sandwich. Not a bad mark up at 245% for the care providers, better than most consultancy businesses who normally run at a 200% mark up.

 

[Postman Pep]

They are thick, by the look of it. The rhetoric was bad enough, doesn’t need the false comparison.

Does show how awful he is as a political communicator though.

I mean the comparison is hardly 'false'. When a politician strays into such territory and employs such 'bad rhetoric', the Powell comparison is always drawn upon. The difference is if Badenoch or Farage had used precisely the same words I doubt anyone arguing, "no need to bring Enoch into this" would get a serious hearing.

 

[mackenzie]

Just a thought, but where posters live....does that have an impact on their political leaning re how they feel about immigration? It must do, surely.

 

[Postman Pep]

"In a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important. Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together"

Totally the same as...

"For reasons which they [the White British population] could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

Never said it was.

Ps. I am curious? What's the relevance of the quote, which is 16 words long, being 14 words long?

EDIT: I looked up the 14 word thing. Who the fuck was sad enough to make up that conspiracy, and get it wrong?

Good Morning Britain apparently

 

[bluenova]

Never said it was.

Sounds a bit like Farage trying to deny whenever he's stirring the pot..."I was just asking the question" ;)

Never said it was.

Good morning Britain suggested that there was a hidden link to US white supremacists?

That programme's gone dark since I last watched it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

what I don't understand his logic today - surely anyone moving to Wales should speak Welsh up to A-Level standards and the same in Scotland where Gaelic should be where the bar is set

 

[bluenova]

Just a thought, but where posters live....does that have an impact on their political leaning re how they feel about immigration? It must do, surely.

I've met more people who are anti-immigration in places without many immigrants. Which pretty much tallies with Reform's seats at the last election - some of the whitest constituencies in the country.

I suspect it becomes more difficult to be "anti" your friends, neighbours and work colleagues.

 

[paulchapo]

Starmer is such a spineless lying toad surely nobody believes anything he says or his pledges anymore.
Controlled Immigration isn't the problem but the uncontrolled mass amount of predominantly young males piling across the channel is. That is unsustainable.

 

[Marlo]

I never said they lied on every policy in every election or party leadership. There are comments though posted over the last few pages of what Starmer said previously about immigrants. I suppose we could post his previous comments about WFA or PIP

It would be total dishonesty for anyone on here to say these things have been championed on a regular basis by Starmer and his team. Plenty of Labour MPs members and voters will be feeling very uneasy, any long standing Labour supporter on here saying otherwise is plainly lying.
Some will hide away like with WFA and PIP or deflect with Farage etc....

What is the point in spending years debating policies when posters will just ignore everything they have previously said. Were some of you not expecting at least a bit more than this shit.

I'm probably as much against population growth as anyone on here but if some of you aren't annoyed at his rhetoric then it's a bad day.

People got a bit pissy when I said they were turning blue, I'm not sure what else you can call this really.

This is not aimed at you btw.

Agree with this entirely.

I always gave Starmer the benefit that he is decent an honourable but his biggest weakness is to try an go with the flow an jump on bandwagon. He did it with black lives matter and he is doing it with this reform farage shit. Trying to be more right-wing than farage is doomed to fail, ask the parade of tory leaders how that went.

Our productivity is down. We have a massive issue with 9 million economically inactive adults. Core services like rail, water and energy are too expensive and out of state control. Cost of goods, food and bills have skyrocketed and this is coupled to a wage suppression/depression that makes us a poorer country year on year. The world is dancing to the tune of an unstable an unreliable US president.

But immigration is the problem to focus on.

 

[meltonblue]

I mean the comparison is hardly 'false'. When a politician strays into such territory and employs such 'bad rhetoric', the Powell comparison is always drawn upon. The difference is if Badenoch or Farage had used precisely the same words I doubt anyone arguing, "no need to bring Enoch into this" would get a serious hearing.

The intent is clearly false to think he was deliberately be quoting Powell, I think someone would have to be thick to think it. It just takes listening to either side of each quote to realise the difference in intent, let alone any wider knowledge.

The rhetoric itself is bad enough without thinking he’s deliberately gone out with a similar sentiment to Powell, which is the key difference between him and Farage still.

To reiterate I’m not a fan regardless of that.

 

[bluenova]

Starmer is such a spineless lying toad surely nobody believes anything he says or his pledges anymore.
Controlled Immigration isn't the problem but the uncontrolled mass amount of predominantly young males piling across the channel is. That is unsustainable.

Something like 1,200,000 people came into the UK last year.

About 37,000 came in on small boats.

That's 3% of all immigration.

If you're relaxed about controlled immigration, then 3% is surely not an issue?

 

[mackenzie]

I've met more people who are anti-immigration in places without many immigrants. Which pretty much tallies with Reform's seats at the last election - some of the whitest constituencies in the country.

I suspect it becomes more difficult to be "anti" your friends, neighbours and work colleagues.

I honestly find it a bit of a mix.
I lived in Crumpsall, Bury, Whitefield and Prestwich for years. Never felt the need for someone to tell me that I needed to "respect each community" or that they even stressed the word "communities" because we were all part of one big melting pot that worked. It was organic in a way, but it definitely worked. Catholics, Protestants, Jewish, Muslim....it worked. Because nobody kept bleeding go on about it.
I now live in Oldham, and it's different here.