The Labour Government

[Kompany Car]

Standard hyperbole, but that aside alot more pensioners would be dead with junior doctors on strike - which they would still be under the Tories.

Yet there was a junior doctors representative on 5 Live this morning pretty much saying if we dont get another inflation busting pay rise there's likely to be strike action from April 2025. Now there may be a bit of posturing going on, but there is a clear message that acceptance of the most recent offer is just a small respite until after the winter.

Have a listen back it was on around 7:15am. I appreciate its too early to fully judge, but how the government handle this going forwards ensuring that any future increases are linked to contractual reforms around retention of staff during and post full qualification should be the crux of if its correct and successful or just bowing to union pressure.

 

[Don Karleone]

This thread summed up.

 

[xgorton]

Is it a deliberate ploy for you and your cohort to keep saying £200 when it's usually £300? Are you trying to downplay it?

£300 only for the over 80s,don't let the facts get in the way.Also your lot when in power did a job on the over 80s remember covid no care,Boris and his crooks.

 

[Roachy]

Not having a go here, mate, but are you saying that we should all be like you?

For awareness, I have 28 years in service and a decent pension, but understand that many don’t get those advantages.

Let’s not punch down, should always be about lifting up.

Ok, I think you've interpreted my post incorrectly, so I'll tidy it up. I'll start with your last sentence first. I couldn't honestly recall the number of times I've had dialogue and discussion with people in support of the whole ethos of what you're referring to there. Always try and raise the bar.
Secondly I presume that was a rhetorical question you asked at the start. In case it wasn't, no, I don't expect anyone to be like me. I wasn't taking aim at those less advantaged than myself. My point was that there are too many people, at times, who begrudge others having what they themselves don't have. The reasons for this are obviously wide and varied. People have and make choices, sometimes correctly and sometimes wrong. A lot of the time you just have to put up with it, that's life. One further point, and this is part of what I was trying to say originally. There's too many people who see what others have, but have no idea of the sacrifices that have been made for them to be in that position. Futhermore, if they had their chance again they possibly wouldn't have took a different path, mainly because those sacrifices were too unpalatable. A bit long winded but hope that's clearer.

 

[metalblue]

But they didn’t. Majority of the people getting this benefit removed voted for other parties, overwhelming for the Tories.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-election

Labour can afford to piss these people off, because they aren't likely to vote for them anyway.

You think it’s ok to put 4000 lives at risk and make 2,000,000 pensioners struggle to heat their homes?

Because they may have voted for someone else?

You’re either a moron or a WUM.

 

[Brewster's millions]

You think it’s ok to put 4000 lives at risk and make 2,000,000 pensioners struggle to heat their homes?

Because they may have voted for someone else?

You’re either a moron or a WUM.

He can be both - certainly not mutually exclusive.

I would add that it’s a simplistic and somewhat childish viewpoint as well; believing that a decision as crass as removing the WFA - implemented without any proper analysis - won’t influence how those not directly impacted by the move are likely to perceive the government.

 

[metalblue]

He can be both - certainly not mutually exclusive.

I would add that it’s a simplistic and somewhat childish viewpoint as well; believing that a decision as crass as removing the WFA - implemented without any proper analysis - won’t influence how those not directly impacted by the move are likely to perceive the government.

Fair. He’s come across as a right spiteful tit these past few weeks be it with smokers or pensioners.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

He can be both - certainly not mutually exclusive.

I would add that it’s a simplistic and somewhat childish viewpoint as well; believing that a decision as crass as removing the WFA - implemented without any proper analysis - won’t influence how those not directly impacted by the move are likely to perceive the government.

The impact assessment is from Jeremy Corbyn's Labour in 2017.

It's probably inaccurate due to the passage of time and you wouldn't ordinarily trust that as a source.

Were you appalled at Mrs May saying she would change the policy in 2017?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Fair. He’s come across as a right spiteful tit these past few weeks be it with smokers or pensioners.

You come across as someone with a personal grudge. Not sure how wanting smokers to adopt a healthier lifestyle by a adopting stick as well as carrot is spiteful.

 

[metalblue]

You come across as someone with a personal grudge. Not sure how wanting smokers to adopt a healthier lifestyle by a adopting stick as well as carrot is spiteful.

It’s was the derogatory nature of your posts

 

[paulchapo]

Employment rights? No no-fault evictions? Right to ask for a 4-day week?

Robbing pensioners, ending the 25% single person's council tax allowance, ending free bus passes, the last two allegedly at the moment,but being strongly fed to the public so probably will happen.
I'm not a conservative voter or supporter I've been a labour leaning voter if anything but this isn't like any labour government I recognise so far.

I'll tell you something else about labour. In 1988 I was on the Seamans strike in Dover for 16 months. They were in opposition and on two occasions visited the picket line. One of the visitors was John Prescott an ex seaman himself for a while. It was all, "Don't worry lads if we get elected we won't forget you and will fight for your rights and justice." Once they did get elected he never answered one bit of correspondence from any of our members. He was never seen again, except on TV.

 

[Brewster's millions]

The impact assessment is from Jeremy Corbyn's Labour in 2017.

It's probably inaccurate due to the passage of time and you wouldn't ordinarily trust that as a source.

Were you appalled at Mrs May saying she would change the policy in 2017?

Not sure you’re helping your argument here, to put it mildly.

The sharp rise in energy prices since 2017 is the more obvious reason why the previous impact assessment is now likely to be obsolete, and likely to understate the hardship caused by the removal of the WFA. Hence the need for a new analysis.

Has that rise in energy prices slipped your mind, or are you simply not arsed because removing the WFA doesn’t directly impact yourself? Or just not arsed because some of the possibly thousands of people now placed at risk may not have voted Labour? Although of course we don’t know quite how many people are likely to be put at risk by the removal of the WFA, because the government didn’t conduct any proper analysis.

Your point about Theresa May, who I thought was utterly incompetent by the way, is irrelevant because she didn’t remove the WFA. Had she done so, you would have been the among first to protest.

 

[PPT]

Finally Junior Doctors accept Government pay deal and no threat of further strikes.

Starmer also meeting Italian PM to discuss asylum and migration issue.

Good day for Labour.

 

[paulchapo]

They were always going to make mistakes, but surely the time to judge them is after 9mths at least on the economy, and 5 years for the social policies etc.

Mistakes? One of the first things you don't do is attack the weakest. The sheer arrogance to say they didn't do an impact study on the effects of cutting the winter fuel payment for pensioners is staggering. They actually didn't need one, it will mean misery and death for many, even the most stupid person could see that. An estimated 4,000 extra deaths and that information is from a think tank who did do a study.

 

[PPT]

You think it’s ok to put 4000 lives at risk and make 2,000,000 pensioners struggle to heat their homes?

Because they may have voted for someone else?

You’re either a moron or a WUM.

He’s both.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Yet there was a junior doctors representative on 5 Live this morning pretty much saying if we dont get another inflation busting pay rise there's likely to be strike action from April 2025. Now there may be a bit of posturing going on, but there is a clear message that acceptance of the most recent offer is just a small respite until after the winter.

Have a listen back it was on around 7:15am. I appreciate its too early to fully judge, but how the government handle this going forwards ensuring that any future increases are linked to contractual reforms around retention of staff during and post full qualification should be the crux of if its correct and successful or just bowing to union pressure.

It’s hardly surprising that the junior doctors have hardened their position on industrial action after Reeves described the cost of their latest pay settlement as a ‘drop in the ocean’.

Not challenging the junior doctors’ use of the RPI as the appropriate measure of inflation, and their guide to pay restoration, was a further mistake.

 

[mosssideblue]

It’s hardly surprising that the junior doctors have hardened their position on industrial action after Reeves described the cost of their latest pay settlement as a ‘drop in the ocean’.

Not challenging the junior doctors’ use of the RPI as the appropriate measure of inflation, and their guide to pay restoration, was a further mistake.

Are you not happy the strikes are over?

 

[maxwellblue]

He’s both.

That was established a while ago.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Mistakes? One of the first things you don't do is attack the weakest. The sheer arrogance to say they didn't do an impact study on the effects of cutting the winter fuel payment for pensioners is staggering. They actually didn't need one, it will mean misery and death for many, even the most stupid person could see that. An estimated 4,000 extra deaths and that information is from a think tank who did do a study.

I admit it's a big mistake, but I believe you should judge them on their record not on one issue.

 

[metalblue]

Employment rights? No no-fault evictions? Right to ask for a 4-day week?

All great policies. If that’s all they’d done I’d be praising them.

All of them drowned out by the WFA. It’s a huge mistake - not removing it but where they have set it being removed. The reasons given for removing it getting more desperate and bizarre. Fairly or not the public have linked it to public sector pay rises due to the clumsy timing of the announcement.

I can guarantee a pensioner, who was previously receiving the WFA, will die of hyperthermia this winter, in fact thousands will. They may well have died of hyperthermia if the WFA remained but the headlines and view the public get are going to be horrible. “Reeves Reeves lets them freeze” will be a headline.

The government hope it will all be forgotten next election but partygate and the such paint that as a dangerous strategy as the voting public are very able to ignore any good done and magnify the bad. Reeves will know she has fucked up (you can see it in her face) but wants to instil confidence in the iron chancellor and not create an impression of being floppy on policy. Starmer knows he should sack Reeves and reverse it but he can’t then point to stability. He may have even considered a free vote to let it be defeated but had to back Reeves. It has been a disaster and the government is trying to tough it out.

Reeves is now going to have to tread very carefully in her October budget to not create unintended consequences on her tax raising policies. Nor create a huge sense of unfairness.

But yeah good job on renters bill and that.