The Labour Government

[BobKowalski]

This is misinformation, you cannot make steel with an electric arc furnace. You just recycle old scrap steel.

And, presumably, make steel out if it.

 

[hilts]

And, presumably, make steel out if it.

I made some bluetack before by pushing two pieces together. Anyhow I'm off to create water by running the tap and filling two half pints and putting them in a pint pot.

I may spill 25% though:-)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

And, presumably, make steel out if it.

Hi Bob, the issue is, it is physically impossible to make steel with an EAF. You just melt recycle old steel scrap and the quality isn't as good as newly made steel.

To make steel you need iron ore, coking coal and usually some limestone ohh and a blast furnace!

On the political side of things, clearly it was good that Labour stepped in and saved the blast furnaces at Scunthorpe. But it's a real shame that they allowed the ones at PT to close. They would seem to be the more economically viable ones as they are at a port.

10 to 15 yrs ago both main parties were deeming UK steel production as an essential key strategic industry that needed to be protected. The Consevatives shamefully forgot this with their shabby deal with Tata. And Labour did also when they let the blast furnaces close and essentially signed off on that shabby deal.

The steel industry in the UK could easily be protected from cheap Chinese and Indian imports by targetted tarrifs and some UK sector industry procurement rules. Other countries do this.

 

[BobKowalski]

Hi Bob, the issue is, it is physically impossible to make steel with an EAF. You just melt recycle old steel scrap and the quality isn't as good as newly made steel.

To make steel you need iron ore, coking coal and usually some limestone ohh and a blast furnace!

On the political side of things, clearly it was good that Labour stepped in and saved the blast furnaces at Scunthorpe. But it's a real shame that they allowed the ones at PT to close. They would seem to be the more economically viable ones as they are at a port.

10 to 15 yrs ago both main parties were deeming UK steel production as an essential key strategic industry that needed to be protected. The Consevatives shamefully forgot this with their shabby deal with Tata. And Labour did also when they let the blast furnaces close and essentially signed off on that shabby deal.

The steel industry in the UK could easily be protected from cheap Chinese and Indian imports by targetted tarrifs and some UK sector industry procurement rules. Other countries do this.

I know. I presume the plan is to use Scunthorpe for higher grade steel and Port Talbot for lower grade steel. You may not like the plan - indeed the report I linked to says it isn’t ideal for Port Talbot, but that appears to be the rationale.

Scunthorpe has Immingham port nearby.

 

[BobKowalski]

I made some bluetack before by pushing two pieces together. Anyhow I'm off to create water by running the tap and filling two half pints and putting them in a pint pot.

I may spill 25% though:-)

Yes. They melt down and process scrap steel to make new steel products. They use EAF’s - Steel recycling is highly efficient and helps to conserve resources while reducing the environmental impact of steel production.’

I welcome your endorsement of the Govts decision on the future of Port Talbot based on economic and environmental factors.

 

[BossHog]

The sun's out, Reeves is throwing money around....

Can anyone say that they personally are any worse off because of this Labour government?

I include pensioners who've had a £9 a week rise in the pension (offset by losing WFA).

Some with no pay increase but still prices rising - but that's not necessarily because of this government.

Employers struggling because of the NI increase?

Someone laid off because of the NI increase?

Commuters paying £3 rather than £2 per bus journey?

But millions paying less on mortgages.

Go on, who personally is worse off under Labour?

Inflation up
Government borrowing
National debt
Council tax
National insurance
Tax burden
Water bills
Energy bills
Tuition fees
Job losses
UK GDP

 

[hilts]

Yes. They melt down and process scrap steel to make new steel products. They use EAF’s - Steel recycling is highly efficient and helps to conserve resources while reducing the environmental impact of steel production.’

I welcome your endorsement of the Govts decision on the future of Port Talbot based on economic and environmental factors.

World class reading between the lines:-)

 

[BigJoe#1]

This is misinformation, you cannot make steel with an electric arc furnace. You just recycle old scrap steel.

Don't worry they have the funds to recruit 46% more Senedd members (yes you read that right FORTY SIX PERCENT INCREASE IN WELSH ASSEMBLY MEMBERS) amd to start major redevelopment work to accommodate them.

Really is pitiful.

We don't need more Assembly Members. They already have one of lowest constituents to representative numbers around. What the fuck are they going to do?

 

[BigJoe#1]

And, presumably, make steel out if it.

Not top quality virgin steel needed for warships and planes... Don't think you can even make railway lines.... Still Heinz will be happy

 

[Brewster's millions]

Don't worry they have the funds to recruit 46% more Senedd members (yes you read that right FORTY SIX PERCENT INCREASE IN WELSH ASSEMBLY MEMBERS) amd to start major redevelopment work to accommodate them.

Really is pitiful.

We don't need more Assembly Members. They already have one of lowest constituents to representative numbers around. What the fuck are they going to do?

They should just abolish it altogether.

 

[hampshireblue]

Don't worry they have the funds to recruit 46% more Senedd members (yes you read that right FORTY SIX PERCENT INCREASE IN WELSH ASSEMBLY MEMBERS) amd to start major redevelopment work to accommodate them.

Really is pitiful.

We don't need more Assembly Members. They already have one of lowest constituents to representative numbers around. What the fuck are they going to do?

According to the electoral reform society:

"
Something historic happened yesterday, something good.

What happened in the Senedd (Welsh Parliament) was the Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill passed and did so with over 2/3rds of the chamber voting in favour.

News about Wales barely registers beyond its borders, news about politics in Wales barely registers within. It’s not surprising when the soap opera of Westminster looms large.

I mean, yesterday the Senedd decided to bring democracy in Wales into the 21st century but that pales into insignificance when faced with an MP, leaving a party to go to another one even though she isn’t going to be an MP this time next year.

For the nation, its people and its democracy. It’s historic and we should be shouting it from the rooftops.

Almost 25 years to the day since the birth of devolution the decision was taken to increase the size of the Senedd from 60 to 96 members. Voting for more politicians is never going to get you an open top bus procession through the streets of Fishguard, Pwllheli or Llansantffraid ym mechain but in anything you do, you need the right number of people to do the job properly and this is a case in point.

Back in 1999, the original 60-member assembly was designed for a time when it had no powers to make legislation or raise taxes. It was half the size of the Scottish Parliament, and smaller than many Welsh councils. Today the Senedd oversees over £23bn in Welsh Government spending and passes legislation that affects key services such as health, education, and transport. Its powers and responsibilities have grown and therefore it is only right that its size does.

Back in 2020 Wales’ Auditor General said “Good scrutiny means good legislation, and good legislation pays for itself…a 0.17% annual saving, or improvement in value, in Welsh Government spending, would pay for 30 extra members.”

It gets even better.

Another nail in the coffin for First Past the Post​

The bill also means that the Senedd will have a new electoral system for the next elections and the good news for us, is that it’s another nail in the coffin for First Past the Post in these isles. Not everything is sweetness and light though, any move to a fully proportional system is a step in the right direction but the decision to adopt a closed list system of PR, under which voters vote for a party rather than a named candidate, feels more like a sidestep."

 

[hampshireblue]

They should just abolish it altogether.

Said in jest I presume.

 

[hampshireblue]

Inflation up
Government borrowing
National debt
Council tax
National insurance
Tax burden
Water bills
Energy bills
Tuition fees
Job losses
UK GDP

Aren't you 2 years too late? lol Car insurance

 

[Vic]

FFS Wales has always (last 26 years) had a Labour Government who have done sweet FA to save the businesses.

Don't be daft. The Welsh Government's entire economic development budget for both revenue and capital is only £527m. At a £1m a day loss, compulsory purchasing Port Talbot would wipe out 70% of the total budget without even considering the cost required to buy the plant.

 

[Vic]

This is misinformation, you cannot make steel with an electric arc furnace. You just recycle old scrap steel.

And this isn't glass, it's just old bottles.

 

[Vic]

I’m just surprised that the Working Class Movement Library (to give it its correct title) is in Salford and not in leafy suburban Surrey.

We all know that’s where the most working class people come from.

I've no idea if that's supposed to be sarcastic.

Here are those leading socialists Sidney and Beatrice Webb in their back yard (not in Salford)

 

[BobKowalski]

Not top quality virgin steel needed for warships and planes... Don't think you can even make railway lines.... Still Heinz will be happy

Recycled steel is used for all manner of things including steel beams, rebars and household appliances.

It would seem silly and expensive to use high grade steel to make a tin can. It would be a bastard to open as well.

 

[BobKowalski]

Don't worry they have the funds to recruit 46% more Senedd members (yes you read that right FORTY SIX PERCENT INCREASE IN WELSH ASSEMBLY MEMBERS) amd to start major redevelopment work to accommodate them.

Really is pitiful.

We don't need more Assembly Members. They already have one of lowest constituents to representative numbers around. What the fuck are they going to do?

I suspect the bill for saving Port Talbot’s blast furnace would be a tad more than the cost of increasing the number of Senedd members. Besides, what is the problem with improving local representation and democracy for the people of Wales?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I suspect the bill for saving Port Talbot’s blast furnace would be a tad more than the cost of increasing the number of Senedd members. Besides, what is the problem with improving local representation and democracy for the people of Wales?

I think Big Joe wants away with the Senedd and incorporate it into a council such as Chester or Liverpool. They could be like a little enclave to the south or west, depending on who takes them on.

 

[BossHog]

Aren't you 2 years too late? lol Car insurance View attachment 159952

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