The Labour Government

[melrose40yarder]

This Government has achieved more in 15 months than the Tories did in 15 years. Admittedly they have stumbled once or twice but bearing in mind the shit show that they were left they've not done bad IMHO.

The party of the people is about to fuck the people in its November budget.
They could not sort a piss up in a brewery.
Nothing has changed its still a jobs for the boys party.

 

[Gray]

Which is another 3-4 years away.

Border bill still going through parliament, one in one out deal has just started and other measures are in place. Was never going to be a quick fix. Labour will sort it.

You are a bloody optimist!

 

[mosssideblue]

The party of the people is about to fuck the people in its November budget.
They could not sort a piss up in a brewery.
Nothing has changed its still a jobs for the boys party.

If only it were so simple

 

[hampshireblue]

The party of the people is about to fuck the people in its November budget.
They could not sort a piss up in a brewery.
Nothing has changed its still a jobs for the boys party.

The people want decent services but are not prepared to fund them. Which of those services are we prepared to do without and which groups of people are untouchable in terms of funding them properly?

 

[WRicko]

So Labour's commitment to Telford-style local inquiries was the right one and they should have ignored Baroness Casey's recommendation for another (limited) inquiry. (If it was all a stitch-up Baroness Casey wouldn't have come up with that recommendation....)

Sorry I don’t know what your point is or how it relates to what I put

 

[hampshireblue]

Let’s face it this constant flow of people entering our country illegally is beginning to wear thin with the population. The useless French are doing nothing to prevent it, despite us paying them millions, because they don’t want them either.

There is going to be a serious backlash at the next General Election.

Maybe we should declare war on the French?

 

[WRicko]

Obviously, but the question should be WHY that person made the mistake. Mistakes like this are rarely done in isolation, there had to have been a chain of events that led to it. And my money is on cost cutting, regardless of which Government.

So let’s blame the last lot for the cost cutting

 

[WRicko]

It is a legitimate debate for the Labour government in power, the lad was only nineteen going on fifty yrs old to look at him and was about to be deported. “The prison service have been losing prisoners for years 86 prisoners have escaped this year higher than the previous year”. To quote the news this escape is a high profile one for the government.

It will be due to staff cuts or inexperienced people handling high risk prisoners.

I don’t see what it has to do with the government

 

[WRicko]

Depends on the reason for the mistake.
If it's down to short cuts, and trying to save money on contractors, that result in mistakes then it is down to the powers that be.

Not the government tho

 

[WRicko]

You couldn’t make it up. Basically a peado who shouldn’t be in the country has just been let out by mistake.

wtf is going on.

Nothing to do with the government tho

 

[mosssideblue]

I don’t see what it has to do with the government

It doesn't

 

[bluethrunthru]

Let’s face it this constant flow of people entering our country illegally is beginning to wear thin with the population. The useless French are doing nothing to prevent it, despite us paying them millions, because they don’t want them either.

There is going to be a serious backlash at the next General Election.

Is that a surprise to you? I was saying on here in the run up to the referendum that the result of leaving the EU would mean that nobody there would care. We were giving them the perfect way out of any responsibility for stopping people coming here because we were voting our way out of returning them.

Of course the common response was I didn't know what I was talking about and Project Fear.

 

[blueinsa]

Lucy Powell wins

Awkward for Keith that.

 

[Metal Biker]

OOF Starmer's face when Powell was announced as DL.

If looks could kill!

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Nothing to do with the government tho

Not directly. But the entire system, whether thats councils, social services, the police, immigration seems to be failing.

Ridiculous errors like this do reflect poorly on the people in charge - the government. It’s only natural for people to blame them.

If a major mistake in a government run department happens, do you only blame the one individual who made the mistake?

 

[kippaxwarrior]

So Starmer sacked Powell after Rayner was sacked and now she's Deputy Leader?

Bit awkward that.

Powell was my MP for years in Manchester Central and did an ok job. She did genuinely care about the student population in the area and Hulme and the regeneration of Castlefield so we'll see how she's goes

 

[Vic]

Sorry I don’t know what your point is or how it relates to what I put

You'd said "enquiries don’t work in this country aside from politicians not implementing the changes they suggest"

Labour said that there'd been an inquiry (Jay) and they were implementing its recommendations (whereas Johnson had called it spaffing millions up the wall, and Truss and Sunak - and Badenoch as minister for women - had done nothing).

A new inquiry into child sexual exploitation isn't needed – but government action is | Institute for Government

There should not be a new inquiry into child sexual exploitation.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

Labour instead got Baroness Casey to review what had been done and what more needed to be done - presumably not expecting her to say there should be another national inquiry (thus proving her independence). People have then gone mad over what she actually recommended ("keep it focussed", "make it wider", "ignore white grooming gangs", "include non-gang CSE - i.e. within families") and the whole issue is now a "political football" ("We won" - Badenoch) - indeed some survivors being used thus.

So I'm suggesting that Labour's approach (pre-Casey) had been right - no "national" inquiry but do more local inquiries like Telford. https://www.telford.gov.uk/children...nto-telford-child-sexual-exploitation-iitcse/

 

[Ric]

Powell was my MP for years in Manchester Central and did an ok job. She did genuinely care about the student population in the area and Hulme and the regeneration of Castlefield so we'll see how she's goes

Big City fan too, which is a plus.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Lucy Powell wins

Awkward for Keith that.

Blimey 16.6% turnout. Even Labour party members can't be arsed.

 

[WRicko]

Not directly. But the entire system, whether thats councils, social services, the police, immigration seems to be failing.

Ridiculous errors like this do reflect poorly on the people in charge - the government. It’s only natural for people to blame them.

If a major mistake in a government run department happens, do you only blame the one individual who made the mistake?

Even if you assume that this mistake is not just a mistake or a series of them but something more systemic it’s not like the government oversea specific minor systems. Even if you an assume they had some affect from a budget point of view. Dont the last lot take the blame. What have or haven’t the current government done ?