The Labour Government

Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Not directly. But the entire system, whether thats councils, social services, the police, immigration seems to be failing.

Ridiculous errors like this do reflect poorly on the people in charge - the government. It’s only natural for people to blame them.

If a major mistake in a government run department happens, do you only blame the one individual who made the mistake?
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Even if you assume that this mistake is not just a mistake or a series of them but something more systemic it’s not like the government oversea specific minor systems. Even if you an assume they had some affect from a budget point of view. Dont the last lot take the blame. What have or haven’t the current government done ?
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Blimey 16.6% turnout. Even Labour party members can't be arsed.
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The turnout was 16% of eligible voters, which isn’t the same as the membership.

People in affiliated unions, socialist societies, all manner of left wing crackpots can vote in leadership contests as long as they pledge loyalty to the dear leader when they cast their vote.

Actual membership is around 330,000, down massively since honest Keith took over. So more than half of the membership couldn’t be arsed voting.

None of the above is who I’d be voting for.
 
Do think even this early in it's term we are in existential crisis territory for Labour at the moment. Not because of anything they've done per se but because of what has been boiling up for decades.

If you assume that the 'Great Compression' ground to a halt in the mid 70s and started to go into reverse at the start of the 80s we've only had one sustained period of Labour government since. Blair was in charge for most of that and through some clever sleight of hand was able to swerve the underlying issues for the party and the country. However, post the financial crisis, that option to play both ends simply isn't there for Labour. As it is currently seeing, attempting to ameliorate decline for the vast majority simply isn't working. The alternative of returning to it's original purpose of reducing inequality is undoubtedly extremely difficult given the nature of global financial systems. However that seems to me the pretty binary choice it faces.

Post 2008 and Covid, there is no wriggle room or illusory third way anymore, like there seemingly was for New Labour. The bald choice is you are either stewards of rising inequality, hoping that fiddling in the margins will see you as less malevolent and keep you in power, or you stand against it.

For all it's recent troubles I think you can easily make a case that it's less chaotic, malign or irresponsible than previous recent administrations; but that is irrelevant because it simply isn't going to be enough for them as they are finding out.

I think they need to revisit their core position on rising inequality or face irrelevance much sooner than their current parliamentary majority would suggest.

(Once again I feel duty bound to point out that Reform is not the answer. It's the equivalent of having had a couple of fingers chopped off in the blender, then deciding to then put your tackle in it).
 
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threespires said:
Do think even this early in it's term we are in existential crisis territory for Labour at the moment. Not because of anything they've done per se but because of what has been boiling up for decades.

If you assume that the 'Great Compression' ground to a halt in the mid 70s and started to go into reverse at the start of the 80s we've only had one sustained period of Labour government since. Blair was in charge for most of that and through some clever sleight of hand was able to swerve the underlying issues for the party and the country. However, post the financial crisis, that option to play both ends simply isn't there for Labour. As it is currently seeing, attempting to ameliorate decline for the vast majority simply isn't working. The alternative of returning to it's original purpose of reducing inequality is undoubtedly extremely difficult given the nature of global financial systems. However that seems to me the pretty binary choice it faces.

Post 2008 and Covid, there is no wriggle room or illusory third way anymore, like there seemingly was for New Labour. The bald choice is you are either stewards of rising inequality, hoping that fiddling in the margins will see you as less malevolent and keep you in power, or you stand against it.

For all it's recent troubles I think you can easily make a case that it's less chaotic, malign or irresponsible than previous recent administrations; but that is irrelevant because it simply isn't going to be enough for them as they are finding out.

I think they need to revisit their core position on rising inequality or face irrelevance much sooner than their current parliamentary majority would suggest.

(Once again I feel duty bound to point out that Reform is not the answer. It's the equivalent of having had a couple of figures chopped off in the blender, then deciding to the put your tackle in it).
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1st para nails it
 
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Brewster's millions said:
The turnout was 16% of eligible voters, which isn’t the same as the membership.

People in affiliated unions, socialist societies, all manner of left wing crackpots can vote in leadership contests as long as they pledge loyalty to the dear leader when they cast their vote.

Actual membership is around 330,000, down massively since honest Keith took over. So more than half of the membership couldn’t be arsed voting.

None of the above is who I’d be voting for.
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You really can't help yourself can you?

"Left wing crackpots" as opposed to the RW geriatrics who voted for Johnson and Truss, the former who purged his very own MPs when some honest and sensible MPs didn't pledge their loyalty to the lying bullshitter.

Why not try a bit of balance for a change?

Anyway some good news on the economy. Page 49 of the Times today suggests that the economy has turned the corner after a number of key indicators suggest higher growth, better consumer confidence and government borrowing rates at a year low. I bet you're gutted!!
 
stonerblue said:
Blues are everyfuckinwhere....
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Reminds me of Swindon away in the bad old days (of lower league football) ..............we had both ends.

Blues are here, blues are there, blues are every fucking where.

Waving at each other.................funny old days. The best aways.
 
My bills are going up. My wages have stagnated. I have to choose between heat or eat. But it's a very small statistical figure of foreigners landing here that are causing it because that's what my algorithm is telling me.

Get te fuck.

Whilst we're fighting with each other the real cunts stealing our money are buying their 8th home/yacht etc.
 
WRicko said:
I don’t see what it has to do with the government
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Everything to do with every government not just this one, the release of prisoners goes right up to the prison governor who signed off on the release, several stages of staff sign the documents.

The crisis is down to not enough staff loss of staff because of violence and who wants to do a job like that for the the money the staff earn

The lad was stood outside for one and a half hours he didn’t know where to go. He’s still making his way to the detention centre:)
 
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I may regret saying this, but I don't mind her. HUGELY preferrable to the utterly loathesome Phillipson.
 
I know prisons and the judicial system are designed to be centered around rehabilitation and public safety but over time i've become convinced I would rather see a more punitive one. Don't think any party will offer one, but personally I find the whole thing leaves a sour taste.

Not necessarily related to one particular incident but a series over the years have made me change my mind.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
I know prisons and the judicial system are designed to be centered around rehabilitation and public safety but over time i've become convinced I would rather see a more punitive one. Don't think any party will offer one, but personally I find the whole thing leaves a sour taste.

Not necessarily related to one particular incident but a series over the years have made me change my mind.
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The days of a ball and chain are long gone I don’t think we even tagged this discharged prisoner, the service has been privatised in part. so I don’t think the discipline is there.
Don Karleone said:



I was wondering where to post this, but it seems like it's being discussed in here more than elsewhere. Hopefully, he will be locked up again soon if he continues like this.
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The only people who would recognise his clothing are ex cons and prison officers the news report, he’s taken several trains round London and talked to station staff. He’s obviously lost.
 
Don Karleone said:



I was wondering where to post this, but it seems like it's being discussed in here more than elsewhere. Hopefully, he will be locked up again soon if he continues like this.
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that outfit just blends in with most of today's "fashion"

they should wear this (plus that means a lot of rags will be re-arrested too)

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