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Gray said:
And how much has that cost You & I, the taxpayers of this country?
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Well let's assume no one extra was employed to actually do the search. Resource was clearly diverted to search for him. So some cost but probably not as much as you actually think. But then resource is diverted, and therefore cost is incurred every time there's a sporting event or demonstration held.

If nothing else, this has highlighted some flaws in the release process that hopefully will be resolved.

But I still think it may have been a deliberate act to let him go as latest reports suggest he was actually telling the guards he was not eligible to be released and was expecting a transfer to the deportation centre, which they apparently ignored.
 
hampshireblue said:
Well let's assume no one extra was employed to actually do the search. Resource was clearly diverted to search for him. So some cost but probably not as much as you actually think. But then resource is diverted, and therefore cost is incurred every time there's a sporting event or demonstration held.

If nothing else, this has highlighted some flaws in the release process that hopefully will be resolved.

But I still think it may have been a deliberate act to let him go as latest reports suggest he was actually telling the guards he was not eligible to be released and was expecting a transfer to the deportation centre, which they apparently ignored.
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Was it a matter of him being supposed to be released to the deportation centre, but wasn’t specified who would collect in the order?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Was it a matter of him being supposed to be released to the deportation centre, but wasn’t specified who would collect in the order?
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I don't know but I'm sure it'll come out in the national, public, judge led, enquiry that will take 15 years , have 20 recommendations that no one will take any notice of. ;-)
 
hampshireblue said:
I think the last Tory that went without being pushed was Amber Rudd. From memory, because some on here think we shouldn't use AI or the internet for information ( yes you BKB) she was given wrong information and used that in a speech which effectively misled parliament. She probably didn't need to go as she could have just passed the buck but did the honourable thing.
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I asked for a list - not one name!
 
Further proof that outsourcing important civil functions is a failure. These companies take our tax payers money and give minimum back in return. Low paid workers with minimal training is bound to lead to "Administration errors".

This error could possibly be politically motivated too.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Further proof that outsourcing important civil functions is a failure. These companies take our tax payers money and give minimum back in return. Low paid workers with minimal training is bound to lead to "Administration errors".

This error could possibly be politically motivated too.
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My thoughts exactly.
Looking at the amount of prisoners released in error there has to be an admin flaw in the system. Whether it is IT based, terrible communication down the line or the fault of one dumbarse in particular it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it's a resource or cheapest contract/inadequate training issue. Governments of all colours in the last few decades have been woeful at outsourcing.
 
Gray said:
And how much has that cost You & I, the taxpayers of this country?
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...you and me...

Depends on how much the Met spent on a "man hunt" for someone who was trying to be found.

It was obviously serious and not really funny at all, but I thought of this scene:

 
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BlueHammer85 said:
So on that logic , if a NHS worker crashes an ambulance it’s the government’s fault ?
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Let me put it this way; if an ambulance crashes then there are probably multiple external causes and effects that can result in the crash.
Not so much in a prison. Much more likely to be something internal rather than external that results in something going wrong.
And if NHS workers start ending up in ambulance crashes much more so than they did 20 years ago, regardless of the external rather than internal factors in this case, then wouldn't you think theres perhaps a problem? Faulty vehicles, inadequately trained staff? If so, who is responsible for that?
 
hilts said:
I actually applied for a job as a prison officer back in the day, was heading to Wakefield for a assessment/interview. I suddenly thought wtf am I doing, sat parked up for 10 mins pondering then turned around and came back home.
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They've been advertising for prison escorts at Strangeways recently if you've changed your mind ;-) Working outside, checking people going in and out...so a bit safer :-)
The word "escort" always reminds me of going to watch City away, and coppers meeting up with us at the train station.... "Now listen here, I'm going to be your escort for the day...." shouted one copper.
"Sorry but you're not my type..." was the reply from a Blue ;-)
 
mackenzie said:
Let me put it this way; if an ambulance crashes then there are probably multiple external causes and effects that can result in the crash.
Not so much in a prison. Much more likely to be something internal rather than external that results in something going wrong.
And if NHS workers start ending up in ambulance crashes much more so than they did 20 years ago, regardless of the external rather than internal factors in this case, then wouldn't you think theres perhaps a problem? Faulty vehicles, inadequately trained staff? If so, who is responsible for that?
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A bit of a whoosh there.

800 prisoners released by mistake in the Tories' 14 years - how many made headlines?
 
Vic said:
A bit of a whoosh there.

800 prisoners released by mistake in the Tories' 14 years - how many made headlines?
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This isn't about which government did what. It's about why it is happening. I'm more concerned with why it is happening than party politics, thanks all the same.
And I guess it made headlines because he was already high profile, by virtue of him being someone in the news for weeks beforehand.
 
hampshireblue said:
Well let's assume no one extra was employed to actually do the search. Resource was clearly diverted to search for him. So some cost but probably not as much as you actually think. But then resource is diverted, and therefore cost is incurred every time there's a sporting event or demonstration held.

If nothing else, this has highlighted some flaws in the release process that hopefully will be resolved.

But I still think it may have been a deliberate act to let him go as latest reports suggest he was actually telling the guards he was not eligible to be released and was expecting a transfer to the deportation centre, which they apparently ignored.
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It goes through about five stages starting with the Prison governor signing it off, each one has to sign about five stages.
No way it’s deliberate it’s a mistake in the paperwork. I believe they already suspended one of the staff.

It’s the first time something like this has happened, most of the escapes are from open prison low grade offenders
 
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