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[jacko74]

Cheap labour abroad doesn’t affect UK productivity they are abroad if you mean people from aboard working for low wages in the UK there is minimum wages and they are being replaced by machines anyway as show in the earlier comments with the ordering machines

Well a huge proportion of immigrants in the UK aren't even receiving minimum wage, working in the grey/gig economy they'll be getting well below minimum wage in reality.

Those ordering machines are a rare example of a corporation bothering to invest in technological innovation to improve productivity though, for the most part they just stick with the easier option of exploiting cheap migrant labour.

As I've previously said, comparing "productivity" between different countries is as utterly pointless and meaningless as comparing official GDP figures between different countries.

 

[jacko74]

You haven’t actually said anything of any substance

And you have?

To be honest I'm not entirely sure if you have, your grammar is so poor most of your posts are borderline incomprehensible, so perhaps you are actually making the most salient, valid and reasoned points in this whole thread, I suppose we'll never know.

 

[jacko74]

And how will that affect the UK's manufacturing industry?

Your question seems to bear no relation to the specific discussion.

You'll have to qualify it a little better before I can help you out.

 

[jacko74]

Let’s give Labour a fair crack. But if you think Farage is the man, you will soon realise how misinformed you are should he get anywhere near no 10

Well they've certainly done nothing at all so far to demonstrate to me that they're going to tackle the rampant corporatism that's the root cause of every social, economic and environmental issue this country suffers from.

Do you think they have?

 

[hampshireblue]

Go on then, I'll help you out as I can see you're struggling.

Here's one very rare example of where such technological innovation is actually being implemented...

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Thank you for one example. I'm not really sure if this is as efficient as you suggest however. The last time I was in a McD, I had to queue to use the machine rather than order at the counter. Not being a regular, I then spent 2-3 minutes navigating the menu for something that would have taken me 10 seconds to order and pay for with a human. My experience in McD was that it was not predominantly staffed by immigrants, it was about 50-50 in terms of visual ethnicity.

A bit of investigation show suggests that most low wage, low skilled immigration work is carried out in the food processing industry, which I would have thought is mechanised and therefore reasonably highly productive already.

 

[jacko74]

Thank you for one example. I'm not really sure if this is as efficient as you suggest however. The last time I was in a McD, I had to queue to use the machine rather than order at the counter. Not being a regular, I then spent 2-3 minutes navigating the menu for something that would have taken me 10 seconds to order and pay for with a human.

A bit of investigation show suggests that most low wage, low skilled immigration work is carried out in the food processing industry, which I would have thought is mechanised and therefore reasonably highly productive already.

You might not find those ordering machines efficient or convenient as a customer (I'm sure I wouldn't either) but Maccies don't really care about that, as long as they prove to be much more cost effective than employing someone to take your order then then that's all that matters in terms of improved productivity and profitability.

Given we're still importing many hundreds of thousands of unskilled labourers each year if the majority of them really are going into the food processing industry then I very much doubt its as mechanised as it could potentially be.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Well they've certainly done nothing at all so far to demonstrate to me that they're going to tackle the rampant corporatism that's the root cause of every social, economic and environmental issue this country suffers from.

Do you think they have?

Off the top of my head.... Labour so far

Ending Doctors / train drivers strikes

School Breakfast Clubs

Widened the number of free school meals

1000 more GPs to be recruited

Brought ( some ) railways back into public ownership with plans in place for the remainder

Allowing local authorities to bring privatised bus services back into local ownership / control

banned no fault evictions and introduced protections for renters

Announced reform of the planning process to allow more homes to be built

Homes for Heroes programme to ensure all UK Armed forces veterans / care leavers and domestic abuse survivors have somewhere to live

improved police numbers to restart neighbourhood policing (13000)

Scapped Rwanda scheme

6500 more teachers being recruited

Launched Skills England / overhauled apprenticeships

£29 billion boost for the NHS / reduced waiting times for operations

Launched GB Energy

Created a National Wealth Fund to encourage private capital in priority sectors

Ended a number of asylum hotels

Ended the VAT Exemption for Private Schools

Numerous trade agreements

Closer working with the French to produce a returns agreement for failed asylum seekers

Introduced legislation to reduce the number of small boat crossings

Mis steps

Welfare Reform

Winter Fuel allowance (now reinstated if you earn less than £35.000)

 

[Brewster's millions]

Off the top of my head.... Labour so far

Ending Doctors / train drivers strikes

School Breakfast Clubs

Widened the number of free school meals

1000 more GPs to be recruited

Brought ( some ) railways back into public ownership with plans in place for the remainder

Allowing local authorities to bring privatised bus services back into local ownership / control

banned no fault evictions and introduced protections for renters

Announced reform of the planning process to allow more homes to be built

Homes for Heroes programme to ensure all UK Armed forces veterans / care leavers and domestic abuse survivors have somewhere to live

improved police numbers to restart neighbourhood policing (13000)

Scapped Rwanda scheme

6500 more teachers being recruited

Launched Skills England / overhauled apprenticeships

£29 billion boost for the NHS / reduced waiting times for operations

Launched GB Energy

Created a National Wealth Fund to encourage private capital in priority sectors

Ended a number of asylum hotels

Ended the VAT Exemption for Private Schools

Numerous trade agreements

Closer working with the French to produce a returns agreement for failed asylum seekers

Introduced legislation to reduce the number of small boat crossings

Mis steps

Welfare Reform

Winter Fuel allowance (now reinstated if you earn less than £35.000)

If you’re going to post inane stuff like this, you might want to make sure that the first one in the list isn’t false.

 

[jacko74]

Off the top of my head.... Labour so far

Ending Doctors / train drivers strikes - By caving in to pay demands for already very high earners.

School Breakfast Clubs - More taxpayers money for benefits claimants and feckless breeders

Widened the number of free school meals - see above

1000 more GPs to be recruited - we'll see

Brought ( some ) railways back into public ownership with plans in place for the remainder - because the public sector is So Much more efficient and effective isnt it

Allowing local authorities to bring privatised bus services back into local ownership / control - see above

banned no fault evictions and introduced protections for renters - a good thing.

Announced reform of the planning process to allow more homes to be built - more destruction of the environment all in the idiotic pursuit of "perpetual growth" aka perpetual profits for the billionaire corporations

Homes for Heroes programme to ensure all UK Armed forces veterans / care leavers and domestic abuse survivors have somewhere to live - we'll see

improved police numbers to restart neighbourhood policing (13000) - we'll see

Scapped Rwanda scheme - a scheme that failed due to the interference of money grabbing lawyers cashing in with the usual "human rights" grift. Not surprising really given that's exactly how Starmer made his millions before becoming our glorious leader

6500 more teachers being recruited - we'll see

Launched Skills England / overhauled apprenticeships we'll see

£29 billion boost for the NHS / reduced waiting times for operations -  no new money at all.

Launched GB Energy - we'll see

Created a National Wealth Fund to encourage private capital in priority sectors -- we'll see

Ended a number of asylum hotels - by handing out obscenely generous SERCO contracts to house them in residential properties that would otherwise be starter homes or family homes.

Ended the VAT Exemption for Private Schools a good thing

Numerous trade agreements - we'll see

Closer working with the French to produce a returns agreement for failed asylum seekers and this will be any more successful than the dozens of similar agreements that have gone before it will it?

Introduced legislation to reduce the number of small boat crossings - the small boats and their "asylum seeking" occupants are sstatistically irrelevant (even though they do still cost the taxpayers billions per year)

Mis steps

Welfare Reform - They've done nothing to reform welfare, the out of control and not fit for purpose benefits system is as profligate and open to abuse as its ever been

Winter Fuel allowance (now reinstated if you earn less than £35.000)

Well I'm seeing two positives from that list, all the rest are not good at all, more of the same, or completely unproven in terms of how successful they could be.

Oh and well done on being able to supply all those "off the top of your head" and not just copy and pasting them from some Labour propaganda rag... you must have a remarkable memory capacity.

 

[hampshireblue]

You might not find those ordering machines efficient or convenient as a customer (I'm sure I wouldn't either) but Maccies don't really care about that, as long as they prove to be much more cost effective than employing someone to take your order then then that's all that matters in terms of improved productivity and profitability.

Given we're still importing many hundreds of thousands of unskilled labourers each year if the majority of them really are going into the food processing industry then I very much doubt its as mechanised as it could potentially be.

But are we now doing this? There is no doubt the ones here may be in that category to an extent but the laws regarding salaries for visas are driving the unskilled category down. But if we don't want low skilled immigration ( many of whom are already here), you'd better remind the locals that those jobs are just waiting for them to do. Maybe that why there are so many 18-24 year olds not bothering to go out to work.

But this was originally about low productivity in the public sector and you have guided it towards yet another debate on immigration.

 

[hampshireblue]

Well I'm seeing two positives from that list, all the rest are not good at all, more of the same, or completely unproven in terms of how successful they could be.

Oh and well done on being able to supply all those "off the top of your head" and not just copy and pasting them from some Labour propaganda rag... you must have a remarkable memory capacity.

F*ck me. Feckless Breeders- the new phrase for less wealthy parents!! Courtesy of I'mAll RightJacko74.

 

[jacko74]

F*ck me. Feckless Breeders- the new phrase for less wealthy parents!!

Not new at all.

It's the phrase used to describe the huge numbers of people who CHOOSE to have kids they can't afford then CHOOSE to work minimal part-time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits, resulting in them having the same level of disposable income as someone working full-time earning the national average wage.

If they time their breeding programme correctly they can milk the system in this way for decades.

I'm surprised you're not familiar with the situation, I'm guessing you don't get much opportunity to see how things are in the real world.

 

[jacko74]

But are we now doing this? There is no doubt the ones here may be in that category to an extent but the laws regarding salaries for visas are driving the unskilled category down. But if we don't want low skilled immigration ( many of whom are already here), you'd better remind the locals that those jobs are just waiting for them to do. Maybe that why there are so many 18-24 year olds not bothering to go out to work.

But this was originally about low productivity in the public sector and you have guided it towards yet another debate on immigration.

The whole point of this particular discussion is that low productivity is intrinsically linked to the use of cheap imported labour, I'm not "guiding it on to immigration at all"

You've absolutely confirmed my point of the utter insanity of the whole situation... we've imported millions of unskilled workers to do low paid work whilst at the same time we have huge levels of under-employment with people choosing to work minimal part time hours or not work at all... all supported by benefits.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Why Young Brits Are Flocking to Australia | Emigrate to Australia

Migration to Australia has surged in recent years. As a matter of fact, there’s no sign of it slowing down anytime soon. Greg Veal, our Australian migration expert at Taylor Hampton Solicitors, recently shed some light on this growing trend during an interview with Vanessa Feltz on LBC radio...

www.emigrate-to-australia.co.uk

Mentioned this morning too on telly. Can't blame them can you. Applying for 600 jobs here and AI says no...few weeks in Oz a job .............

 

[hampshireblue]

Not new at all.

It's the phrase used to describe the huge numbers of people who CHOOSE to have kids they can't afford then CHOOSE to work minimal part-time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits, resulting in them having the same level of disposable income as someone working full-time earning the national average wage.

If they time their breeding programme correctly they can milk the system in this way for decades.

I'm surprised you're not familiar with the situation, I'm guessing you don't get much opportunity to see how things are in the real world.

But you are tarring all with the same brush-very much like the immigration and violence debate. In both cases there will be a small percentage for which your presumption is true, but that is all it is, a small %.

I have seen plenty of the real world thanks having worked my way from an Ashton council house (nothing wrong with that by the way).

 

[hampshireblue]

The whole point of this particular discussion is that low productivity is intrinsically linked to the use of cheap imported labour, I'm not "guiding it on to immigration at all"

You've absolutely confirmed my point of the utter insanity of the whole situation... we've imported millions of unskilled workers to do low paid work whilst at the same time we have huge levels of under-employment with people choosing to work minimal part time hours or not work at all... all supported by benefits.

So remind me how many cheap imported labour are actually working in the public sector, whose roles can be made more efficient.

And when you've done that, you'd better start trying to encourage your own family, friends, relatives, fellow Blue Mooners to start encouraging their offspring/partners to go and work in an abbatoir, in the fields, in a care home and the like. The need for those roles will not just go away and need to be done by someone.

 

[mosssideblue]

Well they've certainly done nothing at all so far to demonstrate to me that they're going to tackle the rampant corporatism that's the root cause of every social, economic and environmental issue this country suffers from.

Do you think they have?

I think from the little time they have had, there have been improvements.

 

[west didsblue]

Not new at all.

It's the phrase used to describe the huge numbers of people who CHOOSE to have kids they can't afford then CHOOSE to work minimal part-time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits, resulting in them having the same level of disposable income as someone working full-time earning the national average wage.

If they time their breeding programme correctly they can milk the system in this way for decades.

I'm surprised you're not familiar with the situation, I'm guessing you don't get much opportunity to see how things are in the real world.

It’s commendable that they’re breeding the next generation of taxpayers reducing the future need for immigration.

 

[Vic]

Not new at all.

It's the phrase used to describe the huge numbers of people who CHOOSE to have kids they can't afford then CHOOSE to work minimal part-time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits, resulting in them having the same level of disposable income as someone working full-time earning the national average wage.

If they time their breeding programme correctly they can milk the system in this way for decades.

I'm surprised you're not familiar with the situation, I'm guessing you don't get much opportunity to see how things are in

So no immigration. no poor parents, and even fewer people in the future to pay for the previous generation's pensions.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So no immigration. no poor parents, and even fewer people in the future to pay for the previous generation's pensions.

I’ve sailed passed Jacko’s comments but had a quick read as you replied. I noticed the words ‘breeding programme’ and wondered who would write in such style and what meant by it?

Can only assume that they refer to such people as ‘animals’, and not fit to be accorded the same as other human beings that what’ve generations in the UK.