The Labour Government

[threespires]

Lol Wesley's announced he'd introduce a 'wealth tax'. I feel like I've entered the upside down.

Just need to make sure that whilst he's introducing that with his left hand, his right hand isn't selling off the remnant's of the country's infrastructure :-) In fairness whilst I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him it's quite a smart move politically for him at this point, though his equalisation of CGT proposal won't really move the dial that much in terms of the behaviour/problems with the super wealthy, it probably means his opponents will have to suggest something a bit more radical at which point they'll get slaughtered.

 

[blueinsa]

Well politicians don't exactly set a good example themselves do they, have you watched any footage from the house of commons lately? All screaming and shouting at each other while that horrible freeloader Hoyle screams "Order, order order!!!!" Im the background.

He had every right to make his voice and opinion heard.

He had no right to be abusive.

 

[paulchapo]

He had every right to make his voice and opinion heard.

He had no right to be abusive.

I don't think he was abusive he expressed his anger and frustrations in the very short window he had towards somebody he felt responsible for creating thise frustrations snd anger.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Whilst you can't argue with some of the things the PMDU achieved I think it was a double edged sword in some ways because it's still seen as a model that can work today when in reality the macroeconomic environment that Starmer lives in now is an order of magnitude worse than the one Blair inherited and managerialism, even the effective kind, isn't sufficient to fix things.

I agree but I am talking about delivery and we seem to have forgotten quite how to do that. Blairs PMDU was effective in what it set out to do. Focus on a small number of important improvements and deliver on them. It achieved that, albeit it also created an industry in 'gaming' the system, it undoubtedly improved literacy in schools, reduced burglary and reduced time in A and E. We still need that delivery if any government is going to manage its way out of the cycle of promises, over expectation, disappointment and rejection. Different models of the original system are still in existence and some are successful, albeit they are variants and some are tempered with a 'balanced score card' approach to alleviate the gaming and unintended consequences.

Turning to Starmer, the world he operates in is increasingly complex and the electorate more and more fragmented. I actually believe they are doing some good things but with insufficient speed and not nearly good enough and robust enough messaging. He is too eager to avoid confrontation (albeit I believe he is more right than wrong in his dealing with Trump) at home, with his majority he could have been far more robust with Farage, the right wing and the media. Some effective 'managerialism' and better comms and he might not be in the position he is just now. He needs to 'fix the potholes' - stuff that actually means something to folk and tell everyone every bloody month how well he is doing it. Lets see how todays immigration numbers play out.

PS. I have even more criticism of my own party in Scotland regarding delivery. Not everything is about how well you present policy - you have to bloody well deliver it and career politicians are not great at doing that.

 

[stonerblue]

It’ll make no difference to those who have already decided. Theirs is all about the perceived because it suits their narrative.

Farage will be out shortly, telling us all that that the numbers disguise all those Brit’s leaving these shores and foreigners arriving. That will be the next narrative and those who want to believe, will.

Maybe it could be splashed across the tabloid front pages in big letters..

 

[babyape]

Immigration down and hotel migrants down. Should keep the knuckle dragging flag shaggers happy, if they can read that is.

The last thing Reform want is immigration to come down, despite telling us they want immigration to come down.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Immigration down and hotel migrants down. Should keep the knuckle dragging flag shaggers happy, if they can read that is.

The two underlying figures that make interesting reading.

Gross non-Eu immigration 627k
Gross British nationals emigrating 246k

Much work to do yet to get the levels to where they need to be.

 

[domalino]

This is Labours problem laid out so simply.

They’re losing 4x more voters to the left than the right, but they’re spending all their time and running policy trying to chase 20% of the voters they’re losing instead of the 80%.

Labour’s voter coalition broke more to left than right at 2026 local elections

Labour lost almost four times as many voters to the Greens than to Reform UK

yougov.com

They need to find a leadership candidate who is perceived to be closer to the greens than reform. If they do that they’ll hoover up a lot of the votes they’ve lost, especially given Polanski’s popularity hit and some Green skepticism has emerged more in the last 2 months.

 

[west didsblue]

They swear at them do they?

No is the answer unlike the idiot yesterday on the forecourt.

The second he did that he lost any sort of validity to his argument imo

Farage wants to buy him a pint.
Jenrick said “good for him” and Zia Yusuf wants to give him a knighthood.
I think that’s a reasonable overall indication of Reform’s attitude to this sort of thing. Wankers.

 

[stonerblue]

The two underlying figures that make interesting reading.

Gross non-Eu immigration 627k
Gross British nationals emigrating 246k

Much work to do yet to get the levels to where they need to be.

Yeah, for those that can read.
Populist politics doesn't do 'details'

 

[WRicko]

Free bus travel for 1 month will definitely help with rising food and energy costs.

Other announcements as well

 

[Don Karleone]

Other announcements as well

They're putting plasters on gaping wounds. It isn't enough, I'm sorry.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The two underlying figures that make interesting reading.

Gross non-Eu immigration 627k
Gross British nationals emigrating 246k

Much work to do yet to get the levels to where they need to be.

From what you have read and understood the data, combined with longer term trends, you come up with that?

 

[mosssideblue]

They're putting plasters on gaping wounds. It isn't enough, I'm sorry.

Don’t be sorry. We all want things to improve dramatically but it has to be tempered with realistic can dos

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is Labours problem laid out so simply.

They’re losing 4x more voters to the left than the right, but they’re spending all their time and running policy trying to chase 20% of the voters they’re losing instead of the 80%.

Labour’s voter coalition broke more to left than right at 2026 local elections

Labour lost almost four times as many voters to the Greens than to Reform UK

yougov.com

They need to find a leadership candidate who is perceived to be closer to the greens than reform. If they do that they’ll hoover up a lot of the votes they’ve lost, especially given Polanski’s popularity hit and some Green skepticism has emerged more in the last 2 months.

So it's....

Except we both know that ship has sailed.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

They're putting plasters on gaping wounds. It isn't enough, I'm sorry.

It was always going to be incremental at the start as it takes a huge effort to turn things around from where we’ve been. What we are seeing in many respects is that change coming about and things looking a little rosier.

I suppose it doesn’t really matter now even if this trend could continue. People have got what they wanted, Labour out and Reform most probably in, meaning anything that anybody on the left side of politics will be reversed and the everyday Joe gets shit upon once more from a great height.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

From what you have read and understood the data, combined with longer term trends, you come up with that?

Do you want a Reform government? If you do, be happy with net immigration figures of 177k made up of those inward and outflow flows of people.

I’m sure Labour themselves will try and continue to drive the numbers down as well.

 

[domalino]

So it's....

Except we both know that ship has sailed.

If there was another Corbyn that didn’t come off the back benches 10 years ago and did it now instead I actually think he’d be incredibly successful in this political climate.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Lol Wesley's announced he'd introduce a 'wealth tax'. I feel like I've entered the upside down.

Just need to make sure that whilst he's introducing that with his left hand, his right hand isn't selling off the remnant's of the country's infrastructure :-) In fairness whilst I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him it's quite a smart move politically for him at this point, though his equalisation of CGT proposal won't really move the dial that much in terms of the behaviour/problems with the super wealthy, it probably means his opponents will have to suggest something a bit more radical at which point they'll get slaughtered.

He’s just keeping his name in the media long enough to see what happens with the by-election.

If Burnham wins it Streeting isn’t daft, he knows he’s got no chance so he’ll fall in line behind Burnham in exchange for a job. It’s how these things work.

If Burnham loses it they’re all fucked regardless so Streeting may as well fight on and have a chance at deposing Starmer and become PM for two years until Reform come in and turn the country into a tin pot Trump’s America.

The only one with a hope in hell of winning a GE is Burnham, and I say that as someone who politically is more aligned with Streeting’s New Labour centrism.

It’s Burnham or bust - for Labour and frankly for the future of the country as a moderate and inclusive social democracy.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Yeah, for those that can read.
Populist politics doesn't do 'details'

Can’t see anything about this on the Daily Mail website, you can bet your house they’d be reporting it if the numbers were going up.

They’ve been weirdly having a go at the government for looking to freeze prices of essential items in supermarkets.