The Long Throw

The amount of data analysis, as others have alluded to, that is undertaken by teams nowadays is bound to unearth ways of scoring. At the moment the success rate and potential rewards on concentrating on long throws, corners and set-pieces outweigh any negatives. Teams will counteract it given time, but it will take time. We will probably have 2 seasons of shit like this until teams get wise, then there will be something else brought in where teams have an advantage for a while - probably a formation.
Similar to the touche push in NFL, but in that instance they will probably ban it due to it not being possible to officiate it properly.
 
Know what you mean, I'm probably done at the end of the season after 45 years as a ST holder with a few years missing due to work.

The enjoyment isn't the same and moving tickets around as I intended missing the midwinter 'average games' next season will be too much fucking about.

Chances are on the games the club can't shift stuff I'll pick up a ticket when my mates get an additional allowance for the cat C type games.

Yes it has come full circle supporting City.

Back in the 90s (forward with Franny) as a fan you felt you could make a difference by pushing for change. In the late 90s you kept turning up, as a sense of loyalty, as you felt the club needed you and the gate money would pay for Terry Cooke’s loan/wages etc.

Now the success has come, the great times, you feel more of a hindrance than part of the fabric of the club.

If someone else can be monetised more, it feels like the club will quite happily push you out.

I’m just grateful In 2011/12 the clubs direction of travel was in its infancy and the success felt like it belonged to the fans as a reward for the lean years.

Contrast to now where, success is tinged with sadness, knowing that success will bring increases in prices, less access to away tickets, more rules and regulation to hopefully move out more
Long term season ticket holders for more casual fans to make more money.
 
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There's still identikit football - just that these days it's the "low block" (in quotes because I fuckin hate the term - it's just defending on your fuckin penalty area), and the "quick transition" (that used to be the long ball for you youngsters)
Sam Allardyce will be creaming himself - alot of PL teams are playing his "style" these days because it suits

I would say the quick transition is more playing through the lines than the old long ball playing of a target man.

I’ve loved this era watching Peps football, but watching teams, with much lesser ability, trying to play the same way has lessened the enjoyment and has definitely been to some clubs detriment (Burnley as an example).
 
Absolutely. I have no problem with teams playing a particular style (other than the time element), I'm just confused as to why it's suddenly become this big thing with a bunch of teams all at the same time. When Stoke had Rory Delap, they had one player with a particular talent and used it to their advantage. This season though, it's like a bunch of teams have all come to the same realisation at the same time. Maybe I've just not been paying attention.

Yes it’s definitely very cyclical. Possibly Arsenal and their coach have received a lot of plaudits for their set pieces and maybe it is an extension of that. It does seem perfectly logical if you have that asset to use it though.

I quite like the way Newcastle and Bournemouth play as their players have a lot of technical abiltity but also maximise the benefits of their physicality and pressing. As the old saying goes ‘play to your strengths’.
 
The tactical genius aka Club Shop is enjoying being in the spotlight again…

Forgot to mention the bit about Stoke getting relegated and the crowds collapsing. Pulis is just another fraud. English football was dominated by the dinosaurs for years in the 80s. Their type of anti football emptied stadiums everywhere. Liverpool were an outlier. All attention was focused on Italy and Spain where the best football was played. Still never mind. The whole of the UK is fixated on the past and going backwards. Why should football be any different.
 
I would say the quick transition is more playing through the lines than the old long ball playing of a target man.

I’ve loved this era watching Peps football, but watching teams, with much lesser ability, trying to play the same way has lessened the enjoyment and has definitely been to some clubs detriment (Burnley as an example).
What about Brighton, Bournemouth. Palace. They are much more than just long ball teams. They have lots of skilful players.
 
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What about Brighton, Bournemouth. Palace. They are much more than just long ball teams. They have lotta of skilful players.

Read my next post. I must have been writing it while you were posting.

I did write football now, playing in transition, is more playing through the lines and the typical long ball football of last years.
 
The entitlement in here is mental. Football goes in cycles and fans are bored of playing 85 passes across the back 3 or 4. So teams will look for new (old) ways of playing.

Not every team can do what City do, so why would and why should they try.
Look at the wolves goal Wednesday:



Chelsea couldn't cope with it, Wolves nearly had a couple more from similar situations.

First half Wolves played it about, got countered and it was 0-3 Chelsea...
 
Read my next post. I must have been writing it while you were posting.

I did write football now, playing in transition, is more playing through the lines and the typical long ball football of last years.
Yes. There is a hybrid way. Nothing wrong with being good at set pieces. But I hate the cheating and diving to win free kicks.
 
Yes. There is a hybrid way. Nothing wrong with being good at set pieces. But I hate the cheating and diving to win free kicks.

And the deliberate obstruction of people genuinely trying to play the ball by people pretending they are moving towards the ball but actually not even looking at it. It's a foul every time and needs to be given as such every single time. Fucking Arsenal would never score.
 
I'm currently training and studying to become a data analyst via my job, and a lot of the more recent tactical emphasis on corners and long throw-ins in the Premier League reminds me of things I've learned during the training course I've done over the last few months.

Yes, data analysis is just analysing data (duh, it's on the can), but it's also about finding stories within numbers, and finding patterns and pathways through pretty daunting information. And that's what's happened behind the scenes at numerous PL clubs over the last 10-15 years.

Basically, data analysts and coaches at a number of PL (and 2nd tier) teams have realised that corners and throw-ins are, for want of a better word, chaos. Chaos means lots and lots of data. And if you can turn that data into something tangible that's able to be controlled and moulded, you're in luck.

So, for instance, Arsenal have probably looked at all the corners they took between 2020 and 2023. How many from the left, how many from the right, how many resulted in goal-scoring opportunities, how many were caught by the goalkeeper, how many were just headed away by opposition defenders, and so on.

If, say, 25% of their corners were caught by goalkeepers, another 25% were headed away, another 25% were won in the air by an Arsenal player, and then 25% resulted in goals or shots, they'd start focusing on why only 1/4 of their corners were leading to big chances and then start replicating those conditions over and over.

They've realised that if they can block the keeper then that first 25% goes down to, say, 15%. And if they can block defenders then they can free up their attacking runners. And once all that falls into place, the percentage of corners leading to goalscoring opportunities can be increased - and all by finding a pathway through the data.

It's a combination of the old ways of thinking ("Get it in the mixer and get the big man's head on it") and the new ways of thinking ("Let's use data and analytics to try and swing games our way"), which means what you've got is essentially a heightened, more sophisticated form of the tactics Allardyce, Bruce, etc. used to employ.

Spurs, Brentford, Sunderland, etc. and a bunch of other teams have basically followed suit. It's the 2000s Mourinho method of playing the percentages for 90 mins, and forcing as many marginal moments as possible, then having the right weapons to turn those engineered 50/50 moments into goals and wins and trophies, etc.

I don't really know how I feel about it from an aesthetical point of view, but in the end corners and throw-ins are part of the rules and teams should be allowed to win any way they can within those rules. The teams who figure out how to master set-pieces and this new era of faster football will be very hard to catch for 2-3 years.

In the end it's the same thing we did around 2017. Pep realised that, after his first season, PL teams left an awful lot of space in behind, so we got a keeper who was press-resistant, sucked teams into our half without the ball, and then used the speed of De Bruyne, Sane, Aguero, and Sterling to just rip the game away from them.

That's why we were basically impossible to stop during the 17/18 and 18/19 years. We were essentially playing alien football. Then teams got smarter, started practising how to best structure a low block, looking at the spaces we left behind us when we set up camp 35 yards from goal, and we had to learn some new methods to keep winning.

Something will come along in 1-2 years that stops Arsenal, Spurs, etc. from being so dominant at set-pieces. Teams will sign bigger, more muscular goalkeepers; they'll start going to ground easier to con the referee into giving fouls in favour of the defenders; they'll start sticking a man on the touchline to distract the player throwing the ball.

It's all part of how football has always, and will always, change.

Great post - I'd also add that corners/free-kicks/throw-ins are all 'controlled'. A coach can set the team up on the training ground to take up very specific positions and practice time and time again until it's replicated on the football pitch. It's much harder to coach a team whilst the ball is in play to know where to position themselves, who to pass to etc.

It's why Pep has been so incredible for me, his positional play has all been about coaching players where to be for every area of the pitch the ball can be in whilst the ball is in play, and as we've seen when it works it's incredible to watch. He's not had to rely on set pieces when we were in our dominant era.

I do agree with other people though that the time taken to take a throw in is becoming ridiculous (although the only team I can remember being punished is us when O'Reilly was actually trying to take a throw-in without a towel). I can't help but feel if we started doing it, taking forever over every set piece and ending up 10 points clear at the top the rules would be changed.
 

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