Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
kingcolinbell said:
And they had the dirtiest footballer of all time.
A fellow called Dennis Smith.
I remember Dennis. Dirtier ones than Dennis. Maurice Setters for one, Tommy Smith for another, Billy Bremner was no angel, Norman Cunter, and Vinny Jones.
Dear King Colin Bell and Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
Visiting Stokie here - forgive the intrusion.
My view is that comparisons between how loud fans are is a pointless one, altho harmless at the same time. But to the extent that comparisons can be made, I (and many of my friends) do not buy into the notion that SCFC's fans are any louder than anyone else's. The club has, however, made something of the "unwelcome guest at the premier league party" tag. Whether that's had any effect, who can tell. I wd say it possibly has. But its currency inevitably wanes.
Similarly, I do not think there is an officially recognised or sanctioned player hardness/dirtiness scale - but that doesn't mean it's not a good game to play.
However, I am surprised at the Denis Smith reference. Smith is remembered and revered at SCFC for being a one club servant - in the days when that was for obvious reasons much more common. He also scored close to 50 goals in about 500 appearances. He was definitely "hard", and broke unfeasible numbers of (his own) bones. He famously (it is said) turned up as a spectator at an FA Cup QF replay against your neighbours in 1972 (the last time we had anything like a sniff of the FA Cup, by the way), with a ricked back, which had rendered him virtually immobile. As he got out of the car at the old Victoria Ground, the "rick" righted itself - and we beat your neighbours 2-1, following an equalising goal from Smith. An aprocryphal tale, no doubt, but a good reflection of the player.
Whether Denis Smith wd make it into one of those dreary programmes around midnight somewhere beyond Channel 28 ("football's rogues gallery" - quite possibly voiced over by Mr Vincent Jones or Mr Ross Kemp), I have my doubts...
His managerial record was "chequered".
I was trying to think who your equivalent might be. Without trying to compare ability (because I suspect he might have played for England) might Mike Doyle be a possible? Doyle spent a season or two with us at the end of his career, of course.
Maurice Setters - a different proposition altogether.