The N word

johnmc said:
Would you agree that the heads of the police, education sector, armed forces etc are predominantly male? If so we are living in a racist sexist country?

Your question should be; have the heads of these sectors ALWAYS been predominately White males? When will we create room at the table?

The 'racist/ sexist' part is down to whether/ when there should be opportunities for other to engage in those roles too.
 
Believe it or not. 99.99999999% of us do get on. We even take the piss out of each other about colour(shock). Race(aaahhh!!) Call each other 'taboo' names(horror!). We even share the same bus seats believe it or not. All we need now is for the far left and the far right to fuckoff so we can carry on getting along.

Thanks.
 
My gran would say navy blue or ****** brown and not think anything other than she was being descriptive.

How times change.

Who empowers these words ?
 
bugsyblue said:
Robbo. said:
If its acceptable in their own culture to call one another it, Why can't it be used by other cultures?

Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

He makes a good point. Why in rap music and every day life do black people acknowledge themselves as "******", I would say every black rapper has at some point in his musical career rapped and said "******" in a song. Personally I don't like the word, but when one group is socially allowed and accepted to use the word ******, I don't see why other areas of society can't? It's as simple as this. It either is so I ally acceptable to use the word of it isn't. The moment a non black person mentions the word it's instantly "racist", yet the scenario is different when on the other foot.
 
rickmcfc said:
bugsyblue said:
Robbo. said:
If its acceptable in their own culture to call one another it, Why can't it be used by other cultures?

Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

He makes a good point. Why in rap music and every day life do black people acknowledge themselves as "******", I would say every black rapper has at some point in his musical career rapped and said "******" in a song. Personally I don't like the word, but when one group is socially allowed and accepted to use the word ******, I don't see why other areas of society can't? It's as simple as this. It either is so I ally acceptable to use the word of it isn't. The moment a non black person mentions the word it's instantly "racist", yet the scenario is different when on the other foot.

The difference is pretty clear to me. Rap music is part of black culture and rappers use the N word as defiance against racism. They have tured a derogatory word into a word similar to 'mate.' Now there's a question of whether that word is appropriate for black people to use, simply because it is a nasty word, however it can never be deemed 'racist' for a black person to call another black person the n word because they are of the same race.

It's a little like how the Irish may call each other paddy. If an Englishman did it, it wouldn't be acceptable would it.
 
bugsyblue said:
rickmcfc said:
bugsyblue said:
Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

He makes a good point. Why in rap music and every day life do black people acknowledge themselves as "******", I would say every black rapper has at some point in his musical career rapped and said "******" in a song. Personally I don't like the word, but when one group is socially allowed and accepted to use the word ******, I don't see why other areas of society can't? It's as simple as this. It either is so I ally acceptable to use the word of it isn't. The moment a non black person mentions the word it's instantly "racist", yet the scenario is different when on the other foot.

The difference is pretty clear to me. Rap music is part of black culture and rappers use the N word as defiance against racism. They have tured a derogatory word into a word similar to 'mate.' Now there's a question of whether that word is appropriate for black people to use, simply because it is a nasty word, however it can never be deemed 'racist' for a black person to call another black person the n word because they are of the same race.

It's a little like how the Irish may call each other paddy. If an Englishman did it, it wouldn't be acceptable would it.

Yes, I'm sure this guy is fully using this word to further social goals and stand up against racism

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxaURcpP7k[/youtube]

And well renowned social justice proponent 2Pac was championing the cause and when he said he was going to "bust on Bad Boys niggas fucked for life", he was actually referring to them as friends of his that he was going to invite round for a game of squash

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qC3w3UUkU[/youtube]

There is some real nonsense peddled here.
 
rickmcfc said:
bugsyblue said:
Robbo. said:
If its acceptable in their own culture to call one another it, Why can't it be used by other cultures?

Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

He makes a good point. Why in rap music and every day life do black people acknowledge themselves as "******", I would say every black rapper has at some point in his musical career rapped and said "******" in a song. Personally I don't like the word, but when one group is socially allowed and accepted to use the word ******, I don't see why other areas of society can't? It's as simple as this. It either is so I ally acceptable to use the word of it isn't. The moment a non black person mentions the word it's instantly "racist", yet the scenario is different when on the other foot.

*sigh*

It's... tiring how socially stupid some people are. Let's put it this way, for the culturally uninitiated; you have a looong ars*d thread about 'muffin or barm' where you you use different understanding for the same thing.

The words used are of similar standing; "nigga" and n*gger" are two different usages. Just because they sound the same, doesn't mean they are. You have to understand the context of the use.

The "nigga" represents a person within the inner sanctum of family and friendship or someone you have correlation with.

The "n*gger" is outside of the sanctum viewed with high disrespect.

And then you have "brother/ brother man" in between where someone is regarded with respect outside of your inner sanctum.

All of these phrases are used, especially in the States, for anyone in context for the person using them.

The word ending 'a' is dis-empowerment of a racial word. The word ending 'er' is full empowerment of the word in its disrespect.

Over here, the lines are blurred cos very few understand the context of use. Just because you hear it, doesn't mean it's acceptable to just throw out. Let's just hope some of you are a little more educated now.

Now, when you view a Chris Rock video, try and follow the context...
 
Bigga said:
rickmcfc said:
bugsyblue said:
Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

He makes a good point. Why in rap music and every day life do black people acknowledge themselves as "******", I would say every black rapper has at some point in his musical career rapped and said "******" in a song. Personally I don't like the word, but when one group is socially allowed and accepted to use the word ******, I don't see why other areas of society can't? It's as simple as this. It either is so I ally acceptable to use the word of it isn't. The moment a non black person mentions the word it's instantly "racist", yet the scenario is different when on the other foot.

*sigh*

It's... tiring how socially stupid some people are. Let's put it this way, for the culturally uninitiated; you have a looong ars*d thread about 'muffin or barm' where you you use different understanding for the same thing.

The words used are of similar standing; "nigga" and n*gger" are two different usages. Just because they sound the same, doesn't mean they are. You have to understand the context of the use.

The "nigga" represents a person within the inner sanctum of family and friendship or someone you have correlation with.

The "n*gger" is outside of the sanctum viewed with high disrespect.

And then you have "brother/ brother man" in between where someone is regarded with respect outside of your inner sanctum.

All of these phrases are used, especially in the States, for anyone in context for the person using them.

The word ending 'a' is dis-empowerment of a racial word. The word ending 'er' is full empowerment of the word in its disrespect.

Over here, the lines are blurred cos very few understand the context of use. Just because you hear it, doesn't mean it's acceptable to just throw out. Let's just hope some of you are a little more educated now.

Now, when you view a Chris Rock video, try and follow the context...

This is your interpretation of language and the muffin/barm thread should show you how personal it is. Unless you're setting yourself up as a spokesperson for black people worldwide?
 
Damocles said:
Bigga said:
rickmcfc said:
He makes a good point. Why in rap music and every day life do black people acknowledge themselves as "******", I would say every black rapper has at some point in his musical career rapped and said "******" in a song. Personally I don't like the word, but when one group is socially allowed and accepted to use the word ******, I don't see why other areas of society can't? It's as simple as this. It either is so I ally acceptable to use the word of it isn't. The moment a non black person mentions the word it's instantly "racist", yet the scenario is different when on the other foot.

*sigh*

It's... tiring how socially stupid some people are. Let's put it this way, for the culturally uninitiated; you have a looong ars*d thread about 'muffin or barm' where you you use different understanding for the same thing.

The words used are of similar standing; "nigga" and n*gger" are two different usages. Just because they sound the same, doesn't mean they are. You have to understand the context of the use.

The "nigga" represents a person within the inner sanctum of family and friendship or someone you have correlation with.

The "n*gger" is outside of the sanctum viewed with high disrespect.

And then you have "brother/ brother man" in between where someone is regarded with respect outside of your inner sanctum.

All of these phrases are used, especially in the States, for anyone in context for the person using them.

The word ending 'a' is dis-empowerment of a racial word. The word ending 'er' is full empowerment of the word in its disrespect.

Over here, the lines are blurred cos very few understand the context of use. Just because you hear it, doesn't mean it's acceptable to just throw out. Let's just hope some of you are a little more educated now.

Now, when you view a Chris Rock video, try and follow the context...

This is your interpretation of language and the muffin/barm thread should show you how personal it is. Unless you're setting yourself up as a spokesperson for black people worldwide?

It's pretty universally understood this way... Unless you have never had cause to understand/ hear of/ use the words involved.

There are NO other usages of the word as a derivative of its original context.

Unless, of course, you can tell me differently...
 

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