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I’ve been on this forum for a while now, as many of you will know. I’ve seen how pissed off you get after (rare) defeats and I understand that sometimes, in the heat of the moment, people can say things that, the next day, they wont mean. In contrast, I see the reactions to some of your big wins and how many people’s opinions of players/staff and the like are immediately inflated, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly.

I put that down however, to the fickle nature of football fans in general, and not just with City.

However, I’ll be honest here though, in that I am amazed at some of your thoughts on tonight’s game, your potential CL campaign outcome, the upcoming game against Chelsea and the Europa League.

A couple of years ago, when Spurs nicked the CL spot from you after ‘that’ Crouch goal, this place was not happy, and understandably so. After such a rapid & prominent rise since Sheikh Mansour took over, CL qualification was the immediate aim, long before a potential League Title.

Fast forward a year and you got exactly what you wanted, by finishing 3rd.

Manchester City in the Champions League – who’d have thought it? Fuck me, 10 years ago you were playing the likes of Wycombe, Mansfield and even my Oldham!

Draws haven’t been kind as we all know, and to be honest, the performances haven’t been there either. BUT, whilst you still have a chance to qualify for the KO rounds this season, and since it’s only fucking November and the PL title race hasn’t even got going yet, I cannot fathom some of the reactions on here this last few days, in particular to the question posed the other day, “Would you accept a defeat against Real, for a win at Chelsea”?

Now surely it’s not just me here, but whilst you can still qualify for the CL, why the fuck wouldn’t you want to go all guns blazing tonight, against the most successful team in European Cup history, on your home patch, knowing a win could keep you in the hunt for the KO rounds. There’s plenty of things to consider here...

1. Ajax definitely have a chance of beating Dortmund
2. Equally, City have the squad to beat Madrid
3. It’s November, you lose to Chelsea and, at worst, you’re 2pts behind United. Fuck me, they bottled an 8pt lead last year in April, what the fuck is a 2pt advantage in November, especially when they have to visit The Etihad in a few weeks.

I guess what I am saying, is that I can’t believe the majority of people on here would happily abandon any CL hopes now, if a guaranteed win against Chelsea was available on Sunday. Fair enough, if we were in February and you were 3pts behind in the PL, then I could perhaps understand it a little.

But this is the Champions League, something 10 years ago you would have laughed at the possibility of participating in, and you’re playing Real Madrid, at home, whilst qualification is STILL possible. Even if Dortmund did pick something up in Amsterdam tonight, think of the extra confidence your team would get by turning Real Madrid over. A defeat to Chelsea on Sunday is as far away from the end of the world as possible. Imagine losing to Madrid tonight, only to see that Ajax had beaten Dortmund?

Lastly, whilst I agree that the PL is the big focus again this season, surely a Europa League stint would be useful in it’s own ways. Just look how much Co-efficiency points Atletico Madrid earned last season when they won the competition. They’re on the brink of Pot 1 as it stands.

You have two very good players for every position and I see no reason why you cannot challenge on both fronts, even by keeping the PL as the priority.

Lastly, from a personal point of view, I’ve always thought of City fans as a good bunch. Especially when you factor in just how arrogant those cunts across the road have been all these years. I guess I just thought I’d never see you turn your noses up at competitions like the Europa League now you’ve got some success behind you.

There’s a lot of positives to take out of a win against Madrid tonight, even if Dortmund beat Ajax.

It’s not the end of the world if you lose to Chelsea on Sunday.


*Cue potential Rag comments.
 
Beating Real Madrid would still make us outsiders to progress in the champions league, beating Chelsea is a much more significant result IMO.

Having said that I expect we'll do our utmost to win tonight and Sunday. And given that it isn't a straight choice of win tonight or win Sunday (or vice versa) I'd very much prefer if we win both.

But for me, Chelsea is the more important match.
 
sjk2008 said:
I’ve been on this forum for a while now, as many of you will know. I’ve seen how pissed off you get after (rare) defeats and I understand that sometimes, in the heat of the moment, people can say things that, the next day, they wont mean. In contrast, I see the reactions to some of your big wins and how many people’s opinions of players/staff and the like are immediately inflated, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly.

I put that down however, to the fickle nature of football fans in general, and not just with City.

However, I’ll be honest here though, in that I am amazed at some of your thoughts on tonight’s game, your potential CL campaign outcome, the upcoming game against Chelsea and the Europa League.

A couple of years ago, when Spurs nicked the CL spot from you after ‘that’ Crouch goal, this place was not happy, and understandably so. After such a rapid & prominent rise since Sheikh Mansour took over, CL qualification was the immediate aim, long before a potential League Title.

Fast forward a year and you got exactly what you wanted, by finishing 3rd.

Manchester City in the Champions League – who’d have thought it? Fuck me, 10 years ago you were playing the likes of Wycombe, Mansfield and even my Oldham!

Draws haven’t been kind as we all know, and to be honest, the performances haven’t been there either. BUT, whilst you still have a chance to qualify for the KO rounds this season, and since it’s only fucking November and the PL title race hasn’t even got going yet, I cannot fathom some of the reactions on here this last few days, in particular to the question posed the other day, “Would you accept a defeat against Real, for a win at Chelsea”?

Now surely it’s not just me here, but whilst you can still qualify for the CL, why the fuck wouldn’t you want to go all guns blazing tonight, against the most successful team in European Cup history, on your home patch, knowing a win could keep you in the hunt for the KO rounds. There’s plenty of things to consider here...

1. Ajax definitely have a chance of beating Dortmund
2. Equally, City have the squad to beat Madrid
3. It’s November, you lose to Chelsea and, at worst, you’re 2pts behind United. Fuck me, they bottled an 8pt lead last year in April, what the fuck is a 2pt advantage in November, especially when they have to visit The Etihad in a few weeks.

I guess what I am saying, is that I can’t believe the majority of people on here would happily abandon any CL hopes now, if a guaranteed win against Chelsea was available on Sunday. Fair enough, if we were in February and you were 3pts behind in the PL, then I could perhaps understand it a little.

But this is the Champions League, something 10 years ago you would have laughed at the possibility of participating in, and you’re playing Real Madrid, at home, whilst qualification is STILL possible. Even if Dortmund did pick something up in Amsterdam tonight, think of the extra confidence your team would get by turning Real Madrid over. A defeat to Chelsea on Sunday is as far away from the end of the world as possible. Imagine losing to Madrid tonight, only to see that Ajax had beaten Dortmund?

Lastly, whilst I agree that the PL is the big focus again this season, surely a Europa League stint would be useful in it’s own ways. Just look how much Co-efficiency points Atletico Madrid earned last season when they won the competition. They’re on the brink of Pot 1 as it stands.

You have two very good players for every position and I see no reason why you cannot challenge on both fronts, even by keeping the PL as the priority.

Lastly, from a personal point of view, I’ve always thought of City fans as a good bunch. Especially when you factor in just how arrogant those ***** across the road have been all these years. I guess I just thought I’d never see you turn your noses up at competitions like the Europa League now you’ve got some success behind you.

There’s a lot of positives to take out of a win against Madrid tonight, even if Dortmund beat Ajax.

It’s not the end of the world if you lose to Chelsea on Sunday.


*Cue potential Rag comments.
No, I think you are bang on with your thoughts. We can go all out to beat Real tonight and still go to Chelsea and beat them.
 
Totally agree with you. Im still thinking we can qualify and results will go for us.
The hardest part for us, is Ajax beating Dortmund. But as it stands, the fat lady is only clearing her throat.
 
sjk2008 said:
I’ve been on this forum for a while now, as many of you will know. I’ve seen how pissed off you get after (rare) defeats and I understand that sometimes, in the heat of the moment, people can say things that, the next day, they wont mean. In contrast, I see the reactions to some of your big wins and how many people’s opinions of players/staff and the like are immediately inflated, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly.

I put that down however, to the fickle nature of football fans in general, and not just with City.

However, I’ll be honest here though, in that I am amazed at some of your thoughts on tonight’s game, your potential CL campaign outcome, the upcoming game against Chelsea and the Europa League.

A couple of years ago, when Spurs nicked the CL spot from you after ‘that’ Crouch goal, this place was not happy, and understandably so. After such a rapid & prominent rise since Sheikh Mansour took over, CL qualification was the immediate aim, long before a potential League Title.

Fast forward a year and you got exactly what you wanted, by finishing 3rd.

Manchester City in the Champions League – who’d have thought it? Fuck me, 10 years ago you were playing the likes of Wycombe, Mansfield and even my Oldham!

Draws haven’t been kind as we all know, and to be honest, the performances haven’t been there either. BUT, whilst you still have a chance to qualify for the KO rounds this season, and since it’s only fucking November and the PL title race hasn’t even got going yet, I cannot fathom some of the reactions on here this last few days, in particular to the question posed the other day, “Would you accept a defeat against Real, for a win at Chelsea”?

Now surely it’s not just me here, but whilst you can still qualify for the CL, why the fuck wouldn’t you want to go all guns blazing tonight, against the most successful team in European Cup history, on your home patch, knowing a win could keep you in the hunt for the KO rounds. There’s plenty of things to consider here...

1. Ajax definitely have a chance of beating Dortmund
2. Equally, City have the squad to beat Madrid
3. It’s November, you lose to Chelsea and, at worst, you’re 2pts behind United. Fuck me, they bottled an 8pt lead last year in April, what the fuck is a 2pt advantage in November, especially when they have to visit The Etihad in a few weeks.

I guess what I am saying, is that I can’t believe the majority of people on here would happily abandon any CL hopes now, if a guaranteed win against Chelsea was available on Sunday. Fair enough, if we were in February and you were 3pts behind in the PL, then I could perhaps understand it a little.

But this is the Champions League, something 10 years ago you would have laughed at the possibility of participating in, and you’re playing Real Madrid, at home, whilst qualification is STILL possible. Even if Dortmund did pick something up in Amsterdam tonight, think of the extra confidence your team would get by turning Real Madrid over. A defeat to Chelsea on Sunday is as far away from the end of the world as possible. Imagine losing to Madrid tonight, only to see that Ajax had beaten Dortmund?

Lastly, whilst I agree that the PL is the big focus again this season, surely a Europa League stint would be useful in it’s own ways. Just look how much Co-efficiency points Atletico Madrid earned last season when they won the competition. They’re on the brink of Pot 1 as it stands.

You have two very good players for every position and I see no reason why you cannot challenge on both fronts, even by keeping the PL as the priority.

Lastly, from a personal point of view, I’ve always thought of City fans as a good bunch. Especially when you factor in just how arrogant those ***** across the road have been all these years. I guess I just thought I’d never see you turn your noses up at competitions like the Europa League now you’ve got some success behind you.

There’s a lot of positives to take out of a win against Madrid tonight, even if Dortmund beat Ajax.

It’s not the end of the world if you lose to Chelsea on Sunday.


*Cue potential Rag comments.


Great post mate, people just overreact sometimes after a defeat, I am guilty to… I have said before I would love to win the Europa but I have been slated for saying it few times now so won’t go into it, but like you say it can earn us points, Ps if we lose on sunday fuck this forum for few days :-> #meltdown
 
For me it was a hypothetical question regarding the results rather than suggesting that we actually sacrifice tonight's match and save ourselves for Sunday. We should go all guns blazing tonight because where there's life there's hope. However, I stand by the fact that I would rather win on Sunday than tonight if it were a choice of one or the other.
 
moomba said:
Beating Real Madrid would still make us outsiders to progress in the champions league, beating Chelsea is a much more significant result IMO.

Having said that I expect we'll do our utmost to win tonight and Sunday. And given that it isn't a straight choice of win tonight or win Sunday (or vice versa) I'd very much prefer if we win both.

But for me, Chelsea is the more important match.

I just don't get how you can give the Chelsea match an much bigger sense of importance than the Madrid game whilst you still have a chance of qualifying for the KO rounds, and, at worse, a defeat to Chelsea leaves you, at worse, 2pts behind United and still ahead of Chelsea and still only in November.
 

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