The NHS...2025.

Found out yesterday the 4th referral I've had sent for physio has again been cancelled by the community service provider. There was no reason given for the cancellation, and I only knew it had been cancelled because after 2.5 years of waiting for simple physio I've decided to start kicking off about it with my GP practice, and they managed to get some details.

The GP has now sent the 5th referral. I don't expect a different outcome to the last 4, though. I've given up with them now. PALs complaint submitted.
 
Please may I praise the NHS people I am dealing with?
This afternoon I had an appointment for a blood test as a follow up to the iron infusion I had in August. Tomorrow I have an appointment for a flu jab.

The nurse taking my blood and blood pressure casually said Have you booked an appointment for the flu jab and when I said yes tomorrow she asked if I minded having it done there and then!! Thus freeing an appointment tomorrow and saving me having to sit around in a crowd tomorrow.
 
Blue Mist said:
The NHS is sadly a disgrace.
My brother has a life threatening condition. A few months ago his specialist wanted to put him on a cancer drug. (He hasnt got cancer but they believe it will give him his life back) It was refused as he'd need an injection every month and it's a grand a time, they, Merseyside NHS only have funding for 10 people and 10 people were getting it.

2 months ago he collapsed and was rushed in. He got sorted but had to stay so they could give him a different drug from the one above. The drug he needed never arrived. A 2nd request to pharmacy for it was refused as pharmacy had dispensed it and as it cost £300 they were not prescribing it again. The pharmacy told them to find it, they couldn't. He spent the night on a corridor.
Day 2 moved to a ward and a new application made. It was dispensed but never arrived and again they refused a 2nd request. He spent another night in hospital.
Day 3 the nursing sister went and got the drug herself, it was given and he was sent home.
£600 of drugs 'lost' £300 of drugs administered. The cost of 3 days bed blocking ? Who knows.
Anyway, as a result of the collapse they decide he could have the cancer drug.
On Monday he was getting fed up as he'd heard nothing and hecfeared another collapse so he rang them up....... 'oh its been here 3 weeks but we didn't know who it was for '.
He went and got the injection.

If it's a grand a time how can you pass it around a system not knowing who it's for ?
How can you lose, twice, drugs in a hospital?

It is grossly mismanaged and no one is accountable. Does no-one sign for the drugs at pharmacy?
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Much of what is reported does sound like absolute chaos at times, and there's too many similar accounts for it to be ignored.
Hope he is on the mend x
 
mexico1970 said:
Absolutely they shouldn't mate, they shouldn't charge anyone that amount. The answer can't be and shouldn't be shovelling money down its throat and watch it shit it out faster than you shovel.

We can't address it if people have still got the bang pans on the doorstep attitude and we can't change it if we don't fight the militancy within the NHS if we do try to change it.
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Just keep the managed care middlemen who earn billions every year and you can have it both ways…but it has to be built with intentional care, not monied interests and lobbyists out the arse, like it is in the States.

Look at Japan, then look at general health of the aging population, and you see the western dilemma!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Oh, you do!
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Not really. The national debt is 100% of GDP and many NHS regions are heavily in debt. So it’s all on the never never. Our grandchildren will pay, or not as the case may be. It’s seriously immoral.
See also the rags who boast about paying for transfers “from our own resources” but are a billion pounds in debt. Their sugar daddy is a consortium of banks.
 
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KS55 said:
Not really. The national debt is 100% of GDP and many NHS regions are heavily in debt. So it’s all on the never never. Our grandchildren will pay, or not as the case may be. It’s seriously immoral.
See also the rags who boast about paying for transfers “from our own resources” but are a billion pounds in debt. Their sugar daddy is a consortium of banks.
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Don’t you pay National Insurance?

My point was really that there’s no free lunch in life and whether things get paid by NI or Income Taxes or by having private insurance that helps subsidize Doctors’ private practice, the NHS is paid for out of pocket by Brit’s one way or the other.

It’s a nothing point I was making, so not trying to get into a “thing” about.
 
when you are a life and death patient the care is incredible, i have had a fantastic level of care , 8 months on i am still being closely looked after by all different departments at the hospitals and my surgery, i have organ damage from the lack of oxygen at the time and am having close treatment for that and mental health help which i greatly needed before i could look foward and not be trapped in what happened , no waiting time for scans and tests

The problem as i see it is the non urgent care side of the nhs , it was never supposed to care for so many patients , whilst i think it does a mostly good job considering the volume of patients it does need unblocking somewhere in the system

We have one of the new health centres that does scans and bloods, physio and pain clinic etc, so many things that the hospitals would have had to do and it works really well and is quick to get in, i have said before how well my trust manages to do a high level of care and perhaps other trusts dont have it sussed as well

I have used the e consultation system a lot in this last few months snd if you dont need to see a dr please use it, if they think you need to go in or have a test done you get called in or sent for a test that way, the nhs app is really good for info, blood test results etc , be proactive about your own care is a great thing

Please can i say one final thing, it is not the staffs fault, they are busting a gut to look after us so dont blame them, especially in a@e, you dont know what is happening in the treatment area's, cunts like me are dropping dead and everything halts to take care of us !!

Much love xxx
 
Blue Mist said:
The NHS is sadly a disgrace.
My brother has a life threatening condition. A few months ago his specialist wanted to put him on a cancer drug. (He hasnt got cancer but they believe it will give him his life back) It was refused as he'd need an injection every month and it's a grand a time, they, Merseyside NHS only have funding for 10 people and 10 people were getting it.

2 months ago he collapsed and was rushed in. He got sorted but had to stay so they could give him a different drug from the one above. The drug he needed never arrived. A 2nd request to pharmacy for it was refused as pharmacy had dispensed it and as it cost £300 they were not prescribing it again. The pharmacy told them to find it, they couldn't. He spent the night on a corridor.
Day 2 moved to a ward and a new application made. It was dispensed but never arrived and again they refused a 2nd request. He spent another night in hospital.
Day 3 the nursing sister went and got the drug herself, it was given and he was sent home.
£600 of drugs 'lost' £300 of drugs administered. The cost of 3 days bed blocking ? Who knows.
Anyway, as a result of the collapse they decide he could have the cancer drug.
On Monday he was getting fed up as he'd heard nothing and hecfeared another collapse so he rang them up....... 'oh its been here 3 weeks but we didn't know who it was for '.
He went and got the injection.

If it's a grand a time how can you pass it around a system not knowing who it's for ?
How can you lose, twice, drugs in a hospital?

It is grossly mismanaged and no one is accountable. Does no-one sign for the drugs at pharmacy?
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great if you're a manager and can work flexibly,from home.only reason they're in the nhs is they wouldn't survive in private companies,meanwhile all the shit at the bottem keep the places going
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Don’t you pay National Insurance?

My point was really that there’s no free lunch in life and whether things get paid by NI or Income Taxes or by having private insurance that helps subsidize Doctors’ private practice, the NHS is paid for out of pocket by Brit’s one way or the other.

It’s a nothing point I was making, so not trying to get into a “thing” about.
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We pay a certain amount but my point was it’s only a portion thereof. The rest is debt. NI only pays a fraction. We take a partially free lunch and expect our successors to pick up the rest.
The US is the same with a massive deficit. That is coming home to roost as Trump ramps it up. US can’t sell their debt currently. Many economists reckon there is a current bubble which precedes a crash. Hold tight!
 
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KS55 said:
We pay a certain amount but my point was it’s only a portion thereof. The rest is debt. NI only pays a fraction. We take a partially free lunch and expect our successors to pick up the rest.
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It’s a stew, for certain, but not part of the stew in the USA.
KS55 said:
The US is the same with a massive deficit. That is coming home to roost as Trump ramps it up. US can’t sell their debt currently. Many economists reckon there is a current bubble which precedes a crash. Hold tight!
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The day the U.S. can’t sell their debt, you’ll know, because global markets will explode…and not in a good way!

Don’t mention to those economists that the U.S. markets just had their best September (a typical poor month, seasonally) in 15 years!

As for a debt bubble, no-one seems to know what the Debt to GDP level is too high, but they TALK about 130%. We are getting there!

Fwiw, I missed 1/3 - 1/2 of the September move because I went “safe,” so I understand your concerns. However, my bigger concern than debt atm are Trump’s reflexive exhortations based on whether he had a good bowel movement at 4am, while posting on Truth Social!!!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It’s a stew, for certain, but not part of the stew in the USA.

The day the U.S. can’t sell their debt, you’ll know, because global markets will explode…and not in a good way!

Don’t mention to those economists that the U.S. markets just had their best September (a typical poor month, seasonally) in 15 years!

As for a debt bubble, no-one seems to know what the Debt to GDP level is too high, but they TALK about 130%. We are getting there!

Fwiw, I missed 1/3 - 1/2 of the September move because I went “safe,” so I understand your concerns. However, my bigger concern than debt atm are Trump’s reflexive exhortations based on whether he had a good bowel movement at 4am, while posting on Truth Social!!!
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He has bowel movements constantly so they say.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It’s a stew, for certain, but not part of the stew in the USA.

The day the U.S. can’t sell their debt, you’ll know, because global markets will explode…and not in a good way!

Don’t mention to those economists that the U.S. markets just had their best September (a typical poor month, seasonally) in 15 years!

As for a debt bubble, no-one seems to know what the Debt to GDP level is too high, but they TALK about 130%. We are getting there!

Fwiw, I missed 1/3 - 1/2 of the September move because I went “safe,” so I understand your concerns. However, my bigger concern than debt atm are Trump’s reflexive exhortations based on whether he had a good bowel movement at 4am, while posting on Truth Social!!!
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The last sale of 30 year debt was undersubscribed even as the coupon rose. Japan is currently dumping US paper. One third of states are in stagflation. So signals are mixed.
 
KS55 said:
The last sale of 30 year debt was undersubscribed even as the coupon rose. Japan is currently dumping US paper. One third of states are in stagflation. So signals are mixed.
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The yield on bonds, be they the 10yr or 30yr, are below historical norms, but may seem high to some based on rates since the GFC in 2008/09.

In fact, the 10yr, which is the one that most people feel is key to the U.S. economy is also well below historical norms.

The 10 year…

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The 30 year…

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To my eye, it doesn’t look like the desire to absorb, or rollover, US debt has diminished to date. Indeed, the rates are both lower than they had been earlier in the year when TACO Trump was throwing around stupid tariff numbers and spooking markets, and below long term averages.

None of that is to suggest that it couldn’t turn on a dime, but countries have to do something with all the dollars getting spent around the world!

In the spirit of the thread, maybe the UK should sell some US 10yr Treasuries to fund the NHS? One auction would take care of the NHS for quite some time!!
 
Just had my surgery for tomorrow postponed.

Had surgery booked in for tomorrow, been waiting for months, infact since last year.

I call around 10am to confirm I will be there and attending, all good.

Literally an hour/hour and a half later I'm called back and told its being cancelled and moved back to later this month.

Really frustrating,
 
Last month my 95 year old mother had a fall at home and broke her femur.

She waited 14 hours for an ambulance - her 92 year old neighbour stayed with her from 6pm until 8am when the ambulance finally turned up.

If that wasn't bad enough, my mum then spent 30 hours on a trolley in a corridor outside the A&E dept at Glan Clwyd hospital before being admitted on to the A&E ward.

Where is the humanity??

My mother lived alone, was 100% independent, was of sound mind and in good health for her age, still drove a car, attended church regularly, did her own shopping etc. She was due to go on holiday to Gran Canaria for 3 weeks later this month. She did not present as a normal 95 year old person.

She died 2 weeks after being admitted due to complications. The Medical Examiner had to escalate to the Coroner to investigate whether her treatment contributed to her death.

The NHS is North Wales is broken and parts of it, namely the Welsh Ambulance Service and the A&E depts, are not fit for purpose. It has been broken for at least 10 years but the management board just pretend everything is fine whilst people continue to die unnecessarily.

It is an absolute shambles and a national embarrassment
 
Saxmundham Blue said:
The NHS is North Wales is broken
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Not just in North Wales - I'm actually working in the Healthcare industry now and you simply would not believe what is going on (and what is NOT going on) behind the scenes. And before anyone says it - throwing money at the problem WILL not solve the NHS - this is not a cash problem, its an efficiency problem, despite the efforts of really good people on the front line, they are utterly compromised by the processes, procedures and systems around them.
 
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