journolud
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Where is "here" ?
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Where is "here" ?
journolud
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And I might add, I completely refuse to accept that providing healthcare services is so completely and utterly different from providing any other sort of services, that no commercial models involving any sort of private enterprise can possibly work.
The sort of stuff Bob likes to spout about it not being a shop and patients aren't customers. Well why aren't we customers? Why is it that the sorts of customer experience we all expect to receive, is suddenly not applicable when dealing with the NHS? Why is "because it's the NHS" an excuse for giving poor service, and that this is perfectly fine?
The claim is made that medical care - i.e. providing a service which costs money - and a profit motive are not compatible. The implication being that private enterprise will try to avoid doing the right thing because it costs money. Well how do Marks & Spencer manage? Or John Lewis? How is it John Lewis can give such great service when all they care about is bottom line profit? Taking a 3 month old shirt back that doesn't fit - or doing a mammogram twice (at their own cost) because the last one wasn't clear. These are both costly services, and we're being asked to conclude that no private company would do the latter, because of a profit motive, and yet our best private businesses can offer the former?
So the argument doesn't hold water. Those opposed to increasing privatisation are imo not opposed to it for pragmatic reasons, they are ideologically opposed to it. If it costs the NHS to undertake activity X for Y pounds and a private provider can do better service for less than Y, people like Bob still won't consider it. Maybe that's why they like to big up how marvellous it is.
A model similar to the privatisation of the railways could work. As long as we set aside some taxpayers money to bail it out when it's failing
Gelsons Dad
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In my "location" where we use ch francs ;)Where is "here" ?
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese
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Yes, but what we pay also pays for those that can't afford it, and I think that's what a lot of wealthy folk object to. Pretty much boils down to an argument about socialism. Pure private care probably means more poor people dying earlier and lower costs. NHS means comfortably off folk subsidising smelly poor people and immigrants. I personally would burn poor people in winter to heat art galleries.It's all private here and fucking fantastic compared to the shite back in the UK.
Oh and it costs me 243ch per month. That's £196 or £2352 per year. How much is the average cost per capita in the UK? More ;)
Gelsons Dad
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Don't burn them, let them run on treadmills to generate power. They will learn a valuable lesson as well as serving the community.Yes, but what we pay also pays for those that can't afford it, and I think that's what a lot of wealthy folk object to. Pretty much boils down to an argument about socialism. Pure private care probably means more poor people dying earlier and lower costs. NHS means comfortably off folk subsidising smelly poor people and immigrants. I personally would burn poor people in winter to heat art galleries.
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They'll burn more calories and need bloody feeding :-(Don't burn them, let them run on treadmills to generate power. They will learn a valuable lesson as well as serving the community.
andyhinch
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And the poor would be glad to get warm, win win :-)Yes, but what we pay also pays for those that can't afford it, and I think that's what a lot of wealthy folk object to. Pretty much boils down to an argument about socialism. Pure private care probably means more poor people dying earlier and lower costs. NHS means comfortably off folk subsidising smelly poor people and immigrants. I personally would burn poor people in winter to heat art galleries.
blueish swede
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Boris needs to make sure the extra 350M/week is targeted to give most bang for your buck, not just spaffed up the wall.
journolud
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Privatising part of it is one argument.
Is anyone actually against it being free for everyone at the point of use?
I can’t believe anyone would be.
Hmm, not entirely but I couldn't begin to have an answer as to when you might start charging and where you would draw the line. NHS dentists aren't free. The nations health bill is likely to keep rising, not sure where the money is going to come from.