kaz7
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I think it was him,useless lump(him not you)
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The NHS
- Thread starter Chippy_boy
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Oh, just remembered. The NHS Exec decided how the money was to be spent and, in their wisdom, they gave themselves a nice new swimming pool in their Kremlin style HQ in Leeds.She spent it in all the wrong places,adding several more layers of management meaning patients didn't see a lot of it,you can never just take the figure and assume it was spent wisely
kaz7
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Bloody hell,never knew that,worse than the MP's expenses that isOh, just remembered. The NHS Exec decided how the money was to be spent and, in their wisdom, they gave themselves a nice new swimming pool in their Kremlin style HQ in Leeds.
Out sourcing of cleaning was not responsible for c- difficile etc.out-sourcing cleaning and laundry gave us c-difficile and needless deaths. thatcher...
The all-out war on nurses and doctors gave us death by lack of staff. thatcher...
the naked propaganda by the daily hate mail and murdoch turned the victim of ideology into the culprit, lovingly adopted by the thatcher mafia and demonstrated so gleefully on this thread...follows the usual far-right pattern, everyone knows a tramp who lives in a mansion, everyone knows someone who died because some left-wing idle bastard didn't do what he was over-paid to do, all bosses are saints, all workers are thieves, no such thing as white-collar crime, just market forces blah blah fuckin' blah.
When the govnt is determined to sell-off/give away public-owned assets, energy, health, water, telecoms health depts, the service deteriorates the cost multiplies the pensions evaporate the t's and c's for employees are then reduced to the minimum wage that requires topping up, by the tax payer( not the share-holders of course, their pay-off is bullet-proof thanks to the "watch-dog" ) . Despite everything, the americans will make it worse, far worse, the british public are being lied to on a scale never seen before, despite the lies of the last 3 years, and they take some beating
In 2001, the Health and Safety exec prompted new rules on the use of disinfectants, which were effectively banned in public areas of hospitals. That's where issues regarding hospital acquired infection started.
Chippy_boy
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Fair comments mate and to be clear, I am not suggesting privatisation is any sort of panacea, nor that I ever envisage an entirely privately run NHS as being the best - or even a viable - option. There will always have to be some public sector involvement I think.I have not said its underfunded, although more money would be welcome and more staff would be a bonus, I do disagree that the Government understands it though, governments use it as a vote winning tool and ideological prover.
The private sector good, public sector bad debate is in my view ideological, capitalists believe that the market solves all, Socialists believe capital only serves the owners of capital. The truth is somewhere in the middle, its finding the balance that is the key. Capital can be involved but only if it is not to the detriment of the common good, even Marx himself acknowledged that capital has its uses as he states in the Communist Manifesto.
The problem as I see it, which btw does not make it right, is that some services are simply not suited to being open to capitalist forces. Railway privatisation has proved that in some areas competition is not feasible. An example in the NHS I would give is an area I am familiar with, dermatology. The current model in Greater Manchester is a world leader in research and in teaching, if you opened that up to competition I struggle to see how a service that competes would increase better patient outcomes. The fact that Manchester is a world leader attracts staff from across the world and has lead to the creation of the global atlas of dermatology. A competing entity would dilute the researchers required in an area that is already short of sufficient staffing levels. Research would become fragmented rather than under an umbrella organisation which defines the areas that it is needed. The research areas were decided upon by patients through collaboration with the James Lind alliance and a thorough consultation across the sector. I don't believe this would be possible or profitable for a private company whose bottom line is more important than the requested outcomes.
I hope you see I have approached this debate in a reasonable manner, I have not shouted you down and my only vested interests have been stated in that I undertake work as a volunteer for Innovation Health Manchester in which I represent patient interests.
But a small point, I don't think the experiences with the railways and privatisation really proves anything at all. Except perhaps for the fact that it's possible to fuck things right up, but we knew that already.
I've mentioned this before, but I don't think privatised monopolies are a good idea in general, because without competition, you're reliant upon a regulator to set the framework and regulators are pretty universally useless. I have never seen them get the balance of shareholder and customer interests right. They always screw it up in favour of one or the other. And I don't think the artificial pressures applied by a regulator (as opposed to genuine market forces) often drive the right behaviours. They set artificial targets and KPIs which the businesses spend their lives focusing upon in order to be able to take more profit, and those aspects of performance which are not monitored, penalised or rewarded by the regulator, get hardly any attention. And that's assuming the regulatory framework is even fit for purpose in the first place, and usually it isn't. I am fortunate enough that my company pays for first class rail travel for me, but that doesn't mean it doesn't stick massively in the craw when I have to hand over the £309 for my fairly regular return from Bristol to London. It wasn't until recently I realised that on this monopoly service which GWR have had for maybe 20 years, first class fares are not regulated at all. GWR can charge what on earth they like and have no competitors. Absolutely ridiculous and shocking state of affairs.
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The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Is that true or is that the forum leisure centre at Quarry House?Oh, just remembered. The NHS Exec decided how the money was to be spent and, in their wisdom, they gave themselves a nice new swimming pool in their Kremlin style HQ in Leeds.
It is true, but I've no idea what the set up is now. They had a gym too....perhaps they've opened it to the public as the center you mentioned. I never go to Leeds these days, living there for 20 years was enough.Is that true or is that the forum leisure centre at Quarry House?
Chippy_boy
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Come back to me when you stop being a twat,it's ungrateful idiots like you who get my back up
Your post epitomises why I started the thread.
Gratitude is something people offer, not something to be demanded by a paid employee for doing the job they are paid to do.
"I work in the NHS you know, and it's a really tough job, so you miserable sods should be bloody grateful". I'm sick of hearing it. Why don't you just quit and be done with it.
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kaz7
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I said get back to me when you have stopped being a twatAnd self-entitled, hard done by idiots like you who get mine up. Gratitude is something people offer, not something to be demanded by a paid employee for doing the job they are paid to do.
"I work in the NHS you know, and it's a really tough job, so you miserable sods should be bloody grateful". I'm sick of hearing it. Why don't you just quit and be done with it.
Chippy_boy
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I said get back to me when you have stopped being a twat
Until you're a mod Karen, you can fuck off telling me what to do.