The NHS

Agreed however, I firmly believe that the only way the NHS can survive is by way of means testing, lots of well off folk can pay privatly whilst them not so fortunate get it free at point of entry.

It’s not a bad point but it must maintain a status of being free for everyone at the point of use. We can not afford to stop people using it as that will be the beginning of the end for it.

It’s been in a dire state all my life, according to the press, I think it needs further investment and needs to be ran better (I think) but I don’t think we should be so willing to get rid of it. It’s the cornerstone of our public life.

I’m not saying you were advocating to do so.
 
I think this is all about a siege mentality. with parts being privatized, TTIP and now Farage pimping to sell it off to an insurance system, especially with it likley to be No1 on the USA's hit list for a trade deal. people are circling the wagons and defending it to all comers.
 
As part of the project I posted about this morning I have visited a Muslim Women's group called the Chai Ladies in Oldham as part of the listening exercise, spent three hours chatting with them about mental health in the Muslim community and I have to say I am fucking shocked at what I have learnt today, as a country we are getting so much wrong it is not true. I thought the group would be difficult to approach but I was really surprised at their openness and willingness to talk, they have suggested we visit a Mosque and a Madrassa too to get other perspectives which I am sure we will be doing as soon as we can arrange it, although I think it will just be me as Nicky the lead on the project may not be welcome at Friday prayers by the male elders in the community. Hopefully I can speak to the Imam and get his advice on the matter.

The link for the survey should be out tomorrow I hope, there is a few minor details being edited for the final draft. It will be posted as soon as I have it.
 
As part of the project I posted about this morning I have visited a Muslim Women's group called the Chai Ladies in Oldham as part of the listening exercise, spent three hours chatting with them about mental health in the Muslim community and I have to say I am fucking shocked at what I have learnt today, as a country we are getting so much wrong it is not true. I thought the group would be difficult to approach but I was really surprised at their openness and willingness to talk, they have suggested we visit a Mosque and a Madrassa too to get other perspectives which I am sure we will be doing as soon as we can arrange it, although I think it will just be me as Nicky the lead on the project may not be welcome at Friday prayers by the male elders in the community. Hopefully I can speak to the Imam and get his advice on the matter.

The link for the survey should be out tomorrow I hope, there is a few minor details being edited for the final draft. It will be posted as soon as I have it.
Going there means you support this.

Incredibly two faced Russ.
 
Going there means you support this.

Incredibly two faced Russ.

I have you on ignore because of shit like this. I am not going to argue with you as this is far more important than petty silliness.

I support nothing, I am trying to get better mental health provision across Greater Manchester, I have worked bloody hard on this and if you are not interested that its fine.

That is all I will say to you. Either support what we are trying to do or don't, its your choice.
 
I have you on ignore because of shit like this. I am not going to argue with you as this is far more important than petty silliness.

I support nothing, I am trying to get better mental health provision across Greater Manchester, I have worked bloody hard on this and if you are not interested that its fine.

That is all I will say to you. Either support what we are trying to do or don't, its your choice.
Thanks 'hero'
 
It’s not a bad point but it must maintain a status of being free for everyone at the point of use. We can not afford to stop people using it as that will be the beginning of the end for it.

It’s been in a dire state all my life, according to the press, I think it needs further investment and needs to be ran better (I think) but I don’t think we should be so willing to get rid of it. It’s the cornerstone of our public life.

I’m not saying you were advocating to do so.
There's zero chance of anyone getting rid of the NHS, for the simple reason that no party wants to get rid of it. Not only do the parties themselves not want to, even mooting the idea is a proven vote-loser. So It's going nowhere. All that's up for debate is whether party A will give it x% more than party B, and whether 6% privatisation is OK, or whether it should be 4% or could be 8%. You get the drift.

But I think we do need a complete rethink on what its for (doh! treating sick people of course!). And whether the increasingly vast scope of what it does should be allowed to inexorably increase and always remain free for everyone irrespective of circumstance. If we decide yes to that, the financial implications are pretty mind-boggling in the medium term.
 
But I think we do need a complete rethink on what its for (doh! treating sick people of course!). And whether the increasingly vast scope of what it does should be allowed to inexorably increase and always remain free for everyone irrespective of circumstance. If we decide yes to that, the financial implications are pretty mind-boggling in the medium term.

It is why organisations like Innovation Health Manchester exist mate, the efforts are focused on getting more out of less and welcoming innovation rather than sticking with established practice.

The mental health study is one area and next year there is a huge project called the ARC that is being started across Manchester that hopes to do even more. Manchester is leading the way because it has control over part of its own health budget and can do things differently. The Tory party are to be praised for giving a Labour Mayor the power to do this sort of stuff.

There is also the imminent arrival of Precision medicine, you may have seen that Labour have proposals linked to that in the Pharmaceutical area. Precision medicine has the possibilty of saving the NHS millions in unneeded and useless prescriptions hence allowing Labour to promise free prescriptions for England. IHM have been one of the drivers in precision medicine, my Prof has done loads of work on it and it is ground breaking stuff. I am not medically trained, i am only a patient and my Prof explained to me in rudimentary terms that precision medicine will eventually be so good that a simple blood test will identify which sort of headache tablet will best work for an individual. If you take that to the high end drugs that cost a fortune the same blood test can identify the correct high end drug immediatley rather than the trial and error approach that a lot of drugs currently have.
 

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