the plan what is it

[ancoats]

I don't get it

we are going back and not forward and our manager not got a clue what the plan is are we settling for getting 2nd in the group and making the knockouts and then turn to the premier league when the winter break kicks in we could be 15 points behind the leaders and our hope of a top 4 place up in smoke

all the great work from the club is going down the pan fast and needs somebody to get hold of the club its not to early to think about a new manager sometimes you hold your hands up and say we got it wrong

but the question am asking is what is the plan

 

[bgblue]

Win everything of course, and beat everybody we play. Anything less isn't good enough

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

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[crystal_mais]

I don't get it

we are going back and not forward and our manager not got a clue what the plan is are we settling for getting 2nd in the group and making the knockouts and then turn to the premier league when the winter break kicks in we could be 15 points behind the leaders and our hope of a top 4 place up in smoke

all the great work from the club is going down the pan fast and needs somebody to get hold of the club its not to early to think about a new manager sometimes you hold your hands up and say we got it wrong

but the question am asking is what is the plan

I say mass protests - send somebody to Turkey to bring Saint Bob back, lets make our voices heard, get rid of the Spanish and Arabian ones too.

 

[another generation]

Drink.

 

[kenzie115]

I don't get it

we are going back and not forward and our manager not got a clue what the plan is are we settling for getting 2nd in the group and making the knockouts and then turn to the premier league when the winter break kicks in we could be 15 points behind the leaders and our hope of a top 4 place up in smoke

all the great work from the club is going down the pan fast and needs somebody to get hold of the club its not to early to think about a new manager sometimes you hold your hands up and say we got it wrong

but the question am asking is what is the plan

. . . and breathe . . . .

We're about 240 steps ahead of where we were 7 years ago so I'm not too worried about one step back to take 2 forward.

 

[Ballet On Ice]

The plan is 442
We have Mike Bassett managing our team and I could not believe what I was seeing last night,

We should not have set up that way against Bayern, they had a 5/6 man midfield which left Ferdy and Yaya totally outnumbered, this format only worked against United because they were also playing 442 and when they changed it with Cleverly they started to control the game but at 4-0 who cared.

But we did set up that way and it was clear right from the start that it did not work, but what did the manager do, nothing. We should have taken a forward off and strengthened midfield, and I am not talking from hindsight. I was screaming it right from the start.

Gary Neville was also constantly on about this and he summed it up perfectly when he said that if our manager was English he would be slated for being tactically naive and not up to the modern game.

If we continue to play 442 then I am not only worried about the CL campaign but more so about the prem. Other teams will have seen that last night and our managers inability to act and pack midfield against us, we could end up mid table.

This is not a kneejerk reaction this is a real concern, his first substitution from 442 was to change one of the front 2, it wasn’t the problem who the 2 were they could not get the ball.

Under Bobby we had 5 in mid field 433 or 451 and it worked for the last 3 years, it just needed pace adding. Not ripping up

 

[kenzie115]

The plan is 442
We have Mike Bassett managing our team and I could not believe what I was seeing last night,

We should not have set up that way against Bayern, they had a 5/6 man midfield which left Ferdy and Yaya totally outnumbered, this format only worked against United because they were also playing 442 and when they changed it with Cleverly they started to control the game but at 4-0 who cared.

But we did set up that way and it was clear right from the start that it did not work, but what did the manager do, nothing. We should have taken a forward off and strengthened midfield, and I am not talking from hindsight. I was screaming it right from the start.

Gary Neville was also constantly on about this and he summed it up perfectly when he said that if our manager was English he would be slated for being tactically naive and not up to the modern game.

If we continue to play 442 then I am not only worried about the CL campaign but more so about the prem. Other teams will have seen that last night and our managers inability to act and pack midfield against us, we could end up mid table.

This is not a kneejerk reaction this is a real concern, his first substitution from 442 was to change one of the front 2, it wasn’t the problem who the 2 were they could not get the ball.

Under Bobby we had 5 in mid field 433 or 451 and it worked for the last 3 years, it just needed pace adding. Not ripping up

Everyone around me cheered like hell when he took Dzeko off and brought Negredo on, I nearly cried. It was going to solve nothing.

As for Mancini, whilst he used 4-5-1 in the very early days and used 4-2-3-1 reasonably regularly I'd still say he favoured playing two strikers. At the start of 11/12 it was Aguero and Dzeko, then Balotelli came in for Dzeko and once Tevez was back it was him and Aguero. Now when Tevez played he dropped deep so it became a 4-2-3-1 at times but we rarely started with just one up front.

 

[Clubber]

Under Bobby we had 5 in mid field 433 or 451 and it worked for the last 3 years, it just needed pace adding. Not ripping up

Now i was a Mancini fan, and think he did a great job and i slightly agree with your deduction that we were lacking in CM, but we never performed greatly in CL under him, so does this mean the 433 approach was wrong?

To suggest Pellegrini, is anything but a top class manager, is laughable. He has taken teams with lesser squads to quarters and semi's in the CL, and because we were beaten by, currently, the best team on the planet, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing.

Knee jerk reaction rules again on Bluemoon.

 

[Ballet On Ice]

Under Bobby we had 5 in mid field 433 or 451 and it worked for the last 3 years, it just needed pace adding. Not ripping up

Now i was a Mancini fan, and think he did a great job and i slightly agree with your deduction that we were lacking in CM, but we never performed greatly in CL under him, so does this mean the 433 approach was wrong?

To suggest Pellegrini, is anything but a top class manager, is laughable. He has taken teams with lesser squads to quarters and semi's in the CL, and because we were beaten by, currently, the best team on the planet, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing.

Knee jerk reaction rules again on Bluemoon.

Read the full post this is not Kneejerk, we are getting outnumbered in mid field, not just this game but others too, for gods sake we were lucky against Hull.

I have posted because I am really concerned that we have a manager who could not or would not try to change things until it was way too late

Also our record in Europe may not have been good but we have had had 2 groups of death. Our record in the prem has been good but if we stick to 2 up front we could be stuffed in the prem too. Two up front with Tevez was more like an extra midfielder at times