The Real enemies of Football

Some of the comments are very bitter.

At the end of the day, the supporters of other clubs are NEVER going to acknowledge the sinister intent of FFP, and how its original (good) intention got seriously hacked by the "old guard" and turned into a weapon to use against big "new" money coming into the game. It is a handy stick to beat us with. Haters are gonna hate. We'd be doing the same if the Sheikh has chosen Arsenal to invest his effort.

The ones that do surprise me are the fans of teams like Villa, Wigan, Everton, who now have rich owners themselves, but will never be able to mount anything like a tilt at the league title, they simply won't be able to spend their own money without building a 250,000 seat stadium or getting sponsored by Apple. FFP has succeeded to a greater extent in its sinister format, the big clubs are locked in, but it pisses them off royally they couldn't shut us, PSG or Chelsea out.
 
bornblueegg said:
I really enjoyed this and believe it speaks volumes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-football-lost-Manchester-City-NOT-away.html
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It’s easy to be pro reporters who report nice things and slate the ones who don’t, but there is a general common sense in the article. You can bang on all you want about FFP but only the likes of Samual are prepared to write it’s true motivation. The fact he does it against a tide of people slating City means it’s he should be applauded all the more.
 
Henkeman said:
Not really. He's saying City will have a challenge when Guardiola leaves and that they aren't destined to win titles year in, year out, irrespective - which is the position in many European leagues. He's right about that, and United demonstrate his point every week.
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I am sure most City fans just want the chance to compete at the highest level. I would hate to see our league turned back into a joke when United (with ten times as much income as their nearest rivals) won 13 out of the first 20 Premier titles. If it wasn't for us, Chelsea and Leicester they would have added another five titles while still carrying debts of £400m and being based in the Cayman Islands.
I would welcome big investment in clubs like Everton, Wolves, Spurs, West Ham, Leeds, Newcastle, Sunderland, Leicester, both Sheffield clubs, Forest, and anyone else if it provided more competition. Football has been destroyed by Bayern in Germany (just ask other German fans) and in Italy by Juventus. It's not much better in Spain. UEFA is rotten to the core. Virtually none of our press has taken this story on despite the naked corruption we have seen. It took US-based journalists to expose FIFA and UEFA.
 
Kris_Musampa said:
Some of the comments are very bitter.

At the end of the day, the supporters of other clubs are NEVER going to acknowledge the sinister intent of FFP, and how its original (good) intention got seriously hacked by the "old guard" and turned into a weapon to use against big "new" money coming into the game. It is a handy stick to beat us with. Haters are gonna hate. We'd be doing the same if the Sheikh has chosen Arsenal to invest his effort.

The ones that do surprise me are the fans of teams like Villa, Wigan, Everton, who now have rich owners themselves, but will never be able to mount anything like a tilt at the league title, they simply won't be able to spend their own money without building a 250,000 seat stadium or getting sponsored by Apple. FFP has succeeded to a greater extent in its sinister format, the big clubs are locked in, but it pisses them off royally they couldn't shut us, PSG or Chelsea out.
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When we were utter dog shit I was quite happy when Chelsea got taken over as it broke up the rags monopoly on the league. It was refreshing to see a new team at the top of league and even more refreshing seeing Chelsea wipe the floor with them and seeing self doubt creep in with the rags. Could you imagine how boring this league would be if Mansour and Abramovic would not have rocked up? We would be in a situation like we see all around europe where the big teams qualify for the champions league every year and the gap gets bigger and bigger between the haves and the have nots.
 
Henkeman said:
Not really. He's saying City will have a challenge when Guardiola leaves and that they aren't destined to win titles year in, year out, irrespective - which is the position in many European leagues. He's right about that, and United demonstrate his point every week.
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He's bascially saying we are not a dynasty, when Pep goes we wont even be able to achieve the level of poor-Utd under SAF. And that we're not even as good as win-nothing-Liverpool with Klopp!
Basically, our sum total success is under Pep, after that we're toast, we wont be able to dominate even with money. Because we're not a dynasty. And I didnt see him hinting that we are ever going to be a dynasty.
 
You have to laugh or not at the comments.
The fact that they state "City have broken the rules and deserved to be punished" shows their absolute ignorance on FFP and the truth in the current belief that if you throw enough shit a lot will stick. So for fans of others who are still foaming at the mouth, a brief resume, as I understand it...particularly for Chelsea holier than thou fans
1. The likes of Chelsea Arsenal UTD Liverpool etc were allowed to build their brands and invest hugely in the top players and wages completely unfettered by the likes of FFP creating their own little mini league of top four which was untouchable for most of the rest of the PL for years. Ensuring bumper incomes from CL qualification year on year to establish their unassailable place at the top of the EPL. A nice little cosy arrangement.
2. When City were taken over, steps were already being taken by the cosy G14 clubs of Europe to put a stop to another "Chelsea" by incorporating FFP as a necessity. City knew it was coming and so having employed the three people who wrote the UEFA FFP rules began a series of player investments to arrive at the critical point where the rules kicked in to just scrape through. Yes some of the funding was morally questionable through the means by which it makes its way into our primary sponsors at this time but seemingly not either illegal or against the rules. Yes thats right muppets, monies paid into none related parties businesses is nothing to do with UEFA (its the rules see)
3. Just so we can be clear it seems UEFA use the recognised accountancy practices to recognise Related Parties, IAS24 I believe which clearly indicates what is and isn't a related party. Related Parties are the only sponsorship deals by which UEFA could insist on "Fair Value". Now back in 2013 there was somewhat of a bun fight as to what Citys independent auditors and UEFAs (Price Cooper Waterhouse I think) interpreted as a related party with City winning out in the end. So neither ETIHAD or AABAR or FARNHAM are related parties. If any of them wanted to allow a third party company to buy a paperclip for a million quid there is nothing UEFA could say or do. It seems that AD companies certainly have propped up some of these companies enabling full payment of their required sponsorship deals to City but again this is NOT against the rules you are so fond of quoting.
4. SO just when everything was all seemingly above board and we were relying on the "Rules" as written down which would have allowed us to exclude certain player payments made prior to a particular date we submitted our accountancy figures openly for all to see not privately in the Cayman Islands like some. UEFA chose this moment to ahem "revise" their ruling on exclusions relating to previous player payments. Thus City spectacularly failed the FFP test. Apparently this action was all at the bidding of the infamous G14. Now businessmen of Citys standing do not take being had over very lightly and of course we complained vehemently as you would expect. When the likely fines were discussed Khaldoon AL Mubarak, Citys chairman I believe openly stated he would rather spend the £30 million proposed fine on lawyers taking FFP to court to have it tested under European anti-competitive laws. Now up to this point FFP has not been tested and there is genuine doubt it may not pass that litmus test. So to try to keep everyone sweet Infantino then UEFA secretary of sorts brokered a compromise deal, as is allowed under FFP rules (yes those pesky things again) and City agreed not to take UEFA to court and pay a suspended £16 million fine and suffered a reduction in player squad size for European Competition for the following 12 months. A slap on the wrist and a tacit implied agreement with FFP rules. However its expected that these sanctions were certainly on a "Final and Binding" concept and would not be revisited.
5. SO City failed, were punished and everyone got on with it.
6. Since that point success on the pitch and a huge rise in commercial income from NONE Abu Dhabi sponsors has seen MCFC income hit 500 Million this year with ETIHAD and other Abu Dhabi companies responsible for approx 70 Million. (14%). SO all good yes? Apparently not.
7. Some tosser hacked into CItys IT and managed to steal 70 million documents and emails. A wholly illegal act. Obviously there are some internal emails which don't make particularly good reading for those who like to moralise about football finance particularly some executives speech narratives in relation to contempt for UEFA and others who would see to stop City doing what they want. Not particularly attractive I admit. However all the current Der Spiegel revelations amount to revisiting what has already been inspected, visited, agreed and sanctioned. We particularly enjoy reading German journalists pontificating about financial irregularity while quoting convicted crook and shyster Uli Hoeness (Bravo). Indeed some of the spleen venting and frankly impartial and vitriolic wording was that of a bitter Bayern Munich Fan of Kindergarten age. How dare we bid for and get Kevin De Bruyne and Leroy Sane under the noses of those paragons of virtue Bayern Munchen. Oh and Wolfsburgs sponsors VW were not averse to a little skullduggery either. Ask a few million car owners.
SO now the media are full of spittle lined red faced journos of red tops and of course City's favourite detractors, mostly mouthpieces of other organisations with vested interests who have nothing to say. All want City Fined, Banned, Castrated Financially, Hung out to Dry for daring to get ones feet under the murky table. Will anything ensue? Can UEFA in all conscience do anything at the G14's request with the threat of a European Super League hanging in the air. UEFA are not averse to the moving of goal posts to satisfy the self serving requirements of the G14 so we wait with baited breath.

I would suggest if they try such a move on this occasion they will meet with the full force of Citys legal furore.
It won't be pretty but we will get an answer as to FFP, Right or Wrong. May I be so bold as to predict, in the event of such a debacle that a legal fudge is likely to be the outcome where neither party is satisfied and each will have contributed to the pension pots of QC's throughout Europe.
Meanwhile the real mischief makers will be whistling dixie and laughing all the way to a Super League.
 
I wonder how many times journos said that the rags would be shit without the GPC? Nobody really knows how long Pep will stay and or if his understudy grasps his ideas and runs with them
Ala bootroom mode.
 
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