The RSF, The UAE and the killings in Sudan

.db. said:
The American owners aren’t second in command in the US govt though. Mansour is in UAE.

I’m part of it n’all though, I’ve swept it under the carpet like all of our fanbase has.

But the UAE govt are the main supplier of arms, funds and intelligence to the RSF who are committing genocide in Sudan.

The UAE also have torture prisons in Yemen, have control of the shipping lanes and ports in Yemen (220k Yemenis, including 90k children, have died of starvation and preventable disease due to UAE’s control on where and who food and medical aid is delivered to and who it isn’t) and fund groups to assisinste their Yemeni rivals.

And it’s the opposite of your daft last paragraph. Our fanbase are up in arms about what the ‘white British’ govt are doing in Israel and are silent on what the ‘brown skin middle eastern’ govt who have a DPM/VP with links to our club are doing in Sudan and Yemen.
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Nothing about this conflict makes sense. Allies are supporting opposing sides, for example Saudi arm SAF & UAE the RSF for an obvious contradiction. The arms supplied by UAE are also manufactured in the UK. I’m not making any excuses I just can’t fathom it & the more I look into it it appears every nation is ensuring this war goes on forever by arming each side whilst the nations wealth is plundered.


RSF (Rapid Support Forces) – UAE-backed

• United Arab Emirates (UAE):• Supplies armored vehicles, drones, and small arms to RSF via covert shipments, often disguised as humanitarian aid 5Pillars.
• RSF-linked companies operate out of Dubai, facilitating gold-for-weapons exchanges Amnesty Inte....

• China:• RSF uses Chinese Wing Loong II drones, anti-materiel rifles, and drone jammers Amnesty Inte....

• Smuggling networks:• Weapons are funneled through Darfur, bypassing embargoes. Some arms originate from Serbia, Yemen, and China, reaching RSF via informal routes Amnesty Inte....

SAF (Sudanese Armed Forces) – State-aligned

• Iran:• Supplies Mohajer-6 drones, fuel, and military parts. These drones have been crucial in SAF’s counteroffensives Africa Defen....
• Iran seeks naval access and influence in Sudan, using arms as leverage.

• Russia:• Provides guns, drone components, and fighter jet parts. Russia uses Port Sudan for shipments and has lobbied for a naval base Africa Defen....

• Egypt and Turkey:• Egypt supplies Bayraktar TB2 drones (made in Turkey) to SAF.
• Turkey’s defense exports include mortars and surveillance gear Amnesty Inte....

• China:• SAF also uses Chinese weapons, including drone jammers and small arms, similar to RSF Amnesty Inte....
 
.db. said:
Where have I laid it at Mansour’s door? I don’t seem intent on anything other than raising an issue I think our fanbase should start to consider.

All I’ve said is that he’s not just some businessman from UAE, he’s the Deputy Prime Minister and Vice President of the govt there and he’s the one linked to our club so he should be the topic of conversation with our fanbase.

I do think this is something our fanbase should start look at even if it makes them uncomfortable, and not just blame the media, rival fans and bots on social media for bringing it up.

I used to sweep this under the carpet myself, but maybe it’s time we stopped doing that as a fanfanbase
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Why should our fans base worry about other countries policy's. Most fans are struggling to keep their fucking family's afloat. I keep hearing politics should not be involved with sport. Unless its City then. Couldn't fucking care less , and you know what I don't think you do either
 
The blue phantom said:
Ryan Grim from Breaking points has been all over this for a while and explains here what the UAE are ultimately after.

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From the 02:45 mark he talks about the UAE's play on Africa's resources all over the continent while also building ports across Africa for the export of these resources. Why has the UAE decided to make plays all over the entire African continent? why are they supporting proxy forces all over the continent? This is evil and wouldn't end well. The Sheikh may have done well in Manchester but no amount of good willing can wash away the stench of evil especially when that evil is one that is ongoing. The UAE seems morally bankrupt in everyway and this is an absolute disgrace
 
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manclad said:
Personally, I lay the blame on General Gordon, Lord Kitchener and El Madhi .
They left a really tangled web when they left Sudan in the 19th century.
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The deliberate removal of Ghadaaffi (or however he's name is spelled) also set the entire Libya, Sudan, Yemen region into the path to madness. He was evil but in some way maintained control of that region.
 
blueinsa said:
Radical Islam, the religion of peace.

Same old story, different region.
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I'm not one to get drawn into these type of argument but I have to say, it's getting very hard to maintain this argument of "not everyone in **** is involved in this type of behaviour", I mean from Saudi Arabia to Qatar to the UAE, its like they are all involved in deplorable behaviour and that's not me being racist or anti-religious, It's just so tiring. Yes the west has its own pre colonial problems and some western powers still manipulate the affairs in Africa but with the middle east, it seems anyone who has a bit of cash immediately decides to become some kind of tyrant and for what? Some sky scrappers, some yachts, jet skis, a few Eastern European models and some tigers? Fucking disgraceful
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
From the 02:45 mark he talks about the UAE's play on Africa's resources all over the continent while also building ports across Africa for the export of these resources. Why has the UAE decided to make plays all over the entire African continent? why are they supporting proxy forces all over the continent? This is evil and wouldn't end well.
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They say in the video that the UAE is spreading into Africa because they realise their own resources won't last forever. I think we are aware of the policy of them 'spreading their wings' in business and sports.
Backing groups like the RSF though who appear to be committing genocide on non Arabs so they can grab some of their gold and other resources is a story as old as the hills.
I think we know the US and now the UAE only get involved if there is money to be made. As do most countries including our own. As resources decline in this world the fight for them can only get worse.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
I'm not one to get drawn into these type of argument but I have to say, it's getting very hard to maintain this argument of "not everyone in **** is involved in this type of behaviour", I mean from Saudi Arabia to Qatar to the UAE, its like they are all involved in deplorable behaviour and that's not me being racist or anti-religious, It's just so tiring
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The Americans are worse than all the lot put together for what they've been responsible for. Still doing too.
 
hilts said:
They say in the video that the UAE is spreading into Africa because they realise their own resources won't last forever. I think we are aware of the policy of them 'spreading their wings' in business and sports.
Backing groups like the RSF though who appear to be committing genocide on non Arabs so they can grab some of their gold and other resources is a story as old as the hills.
I think we know the US and now the UAE only get involved if there is money to be made. As do most countries including our own. As resources decline in this world the fight for them can only get worse.
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All of a sudden there's talk of Venezuela working with Hezbollah and Hamas but that's a topic for another day. The world needs a fucking reset.
 
.db. said:
Where have I laid it at Mansour’s door? I don’t seem intent on anything other than raising an issue I think our fanbase should start to consider.

All I’ve said is that he’s not just some businessman from UAE, he’s the Deputy Prime Minister and Vice President of the govt there and he’s the one linked to our club so he should be the topic of conversation with our fanbase.

I do think this is something our fanbase should start look at even if it makes them uncomfortable, and not just blame the media, rival fans and bots on social media for bringing it up.

I used to sweep this under the carpet myself, but maybe it’s time we stopped doing that as a fanbase?
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as somebody else said WHY is it our fanbase and our fanbase alone that must consider political situations happening in other countries, for as long as the uae has been in existence saudi arabia have long been considered the elephant in the room and nothing passes through without their tacit agreement should newcastle also be considering this situation.

Both the owners or the rags and chelsea are staunch republicans and have donated heavily to the party, should they be concerned or implicated in the shitshow and reintegration of the testing of nuclear weapons that trump has signed off or is that okay?

What exactly are we sweeping under the carpet here, do you want the fanbase to actively go against the owner because he potentially could be implicated in atrocities in a foreign country with no solid evidence apart from media fanfare if you go digging hard enough that he had any hand in this apart from his government held position? if thats the case then every single pl fan under every single pl club best start campaigns against their owners because none of them are whiter than white and if you think billionaires play no part in influencing government policy then i have some magic beans you can buy.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
The deliberate removal of Ghadaaffi (or however he's name is spelled) also set the entire Libya, Sudan, Yemen region into the path to madness. He was evil but in some way maintained control of that region.
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They said exactly the same thing about Tito with regards to Yugoslavia.
He was a dictator,but kept a lid on all the inter warring factions and religions in The Balkans.
We all know what happened after he died and there wasn't a strong man to quell all the conflicting ethnicities ,and tribalism etc.
 
HelloCity said:
No need for genocide point scoring.

The UN Independent International Commission has confirmed a genocide in Gaza so there's no need to use 'true genocide' as a way to dismiss what has occurred there.

It's also worth noting that the Russian invasion of Ukraine received much worse criticism from western media and political parties than the Israeli genocide of Gaza, so 'it's not It's not Israelis doing it so the usual suspects aren't frothing at the mouth' doesn't really hold up.

At the end of the day it's fair to say Hamas are twats, the IDF are twats, and those responsible for this are twats as well.
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Oddly enough, the UN didn't think that a far worse situation in Darfur was 'genocide', on the somewhat specious grounds that the two ethnic groups were too closely related for it to class as genocide (so basically an internecine conflict) whereas it does think a military action in Gaza in response to a terrorist atrocity is. I'm not sure the UN is a reliable arbiter in these things.

The ICC indicted former Sudanese leader, Omar al-Bashir on a charge of implicit involvement in genocide (but many countries in the region opposed that, including the UAE.

But the rationale behind the UAE's involvement in places like Yemen and Sudan is that they're frightened of the spread of Islamic fundamentalist/nationalist groups. They see the Muslim Brotherhood and its associated (either directly or ideologically) groups as their sworn enemies and a threat to their existence. This also accounts for their domestic intolerance for what they see as Muslim Brotherhood inspired fundamentalism. That also includes groups like Hamas and Hezbollah by the way.

Does that excuse their actions in places like Yemen and Sudan? In their eyes it does, although maybe not in ours.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
All of a sudden there's talk of Venezuela working with Hezbollah and Hamas but that's a topic for another day. The world needs a fucking reset.
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Behind everything there is money and power and if one can get away with a bit of ethnic cleansing then all the better.
Who can come to the rescue of the Sudanese people? Who can call out the arming of these despots?
The yanks? Us? With our current shenanigans?
No one has a white hat.
 
Nobody going to mention the role of China and Russia in this regions economic, political and military picture?

Or do we just blame the US, UAE and then of course ourselves?
 
manclad said:
They said exactly the same thing about Tito with regards to Yugoslavia.
He was a dictator,but kept a lid on all the inter warring factions and religions in The Balkans.
We all know what happened after he died and there wasn't a strong man to quell all the conflicting ethnicities ,and tribalism etc.
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The Assads and Saddam Hussein were also examples of leaders who were utterly brutal but largely kept a lid on domestic tensions. In their cases though it was via brutal repression.
 
blueinsa said:
Nobody going to mention the role of China and Russia in this regions economic, political and military picture?

Or do we just blame the US, UAE and then of course ourselves?
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I mentioned this at the start of page 2 and it's already happening. It's not a good look to play the "whataboutism" card at this point when the involvement of the UAE has been exposed.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
I mentioned this at the start of page 2 and it's already happening. It's not a good look to play the "whataboutism" card at this point when the involvement of the UAE has been exposed.
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It’s not whataboutism, it’s cold hard facts.

They’re literally all at it for their own selfish geopolitical reasons.
 
blueinsa said:
Nobody going to mention the role of China and Russia in this regions economic, political and military picture?

Or do we just blame the US, UAE and then of course ourselves?
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I think we know what colour hats they wear as well mate :-)

From my whole 20 min research into this so far the US and UAE have been mentioned. What is Russia and Chinas stance and influence in Sudan?
 
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