The RSF, The UAE and the killings in Sudan

[halfcenturyup]

I hope someone gave them all a map to The Emirates for their next protest, or even FA headquarters.....

Tbf, this territory comes with having a government official as a shareholder. Or a member of a ruling family. All countries get up to shit. The club is an easy, and very visible target.

I don't have a problem with it, to be honest. If it puts pressure on the UAE to rein in the RSF, it's not a bad thing.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Mass protests on the street of the UK incoming, and in many other countries across the globe. Surely.
Or perhaps not given that it isn't Israel causing the problem.

Yawn.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

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A bit concerning all this, it takes one nutter being fed this daily on social Media to associate this as a manchester city thing and not a UAE thing and could get ugly

That's the Spiderman meme effect there, you can't separate one from the other at this point. Only solution is to dissociate, been a nice run but we can't keep being attached to a morally corrupt government that has very little regard for the lives of the people of Sudan.

 

[PinkFinal]

The Documentary Podcast - What’s behind the war in Sudan? - BBC Sounds

Blood spilled in Sudan's el-Fasher massacre is visible from space

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lowtower]

We getting any of these protests today at the ground?

 

[vmsuhail]

Mass protests on the street of the UK incoming, and in many other countries across the globe. Surely.
Or perhaps not given that it isn't Israel causing the problem.

Israel generates a lot of debate because there are lots of people and governments on their side supporting the genocide. No one is supporting the RSF massacres, except the government of UAE or some Wagner group and that too in a clandestine way.

 

[Manchester33]

Currently the UAE have distanced themselves from this (denying arming the RSF, and describing accusations to the contrary as ‘reckless’).

There seems to be a lot of evidence directly linking Sheikh Mansour (including US intelligence confirming they intercepted multiple phone calls between him and Hemedti, as well as numerous meetings in Abu Dhabi).

Whataboutery is not acceptable. As City fans we have a responsibility to our club to stand against anything that might taint it. If HHSM is complicit in genocide, we should be calling him out.

 

[Damocles]

I'm more concerned that people are only now working out that the UAE engages in geopolitical gamemanship including arming some less than moral people to achieve their aims.

Wait until you learn what Western countries have been doing in the rest of the world for about a thousand years. Or China, Japan, India, basically every regional power.

How naive are some people to the realities of the world? Wait until you work out who invented ISIS.

 

[oldius]

Mass protests on the street of the UK incoming, and in many other countries across the globe. Surely.
Or perhaps not given that it isn't Israel causing the problem.

It is absolutely right that people march against the behaviour of the Israeli government.
It has taken 70+ years to reach this point despite much evidence.
People are, currently, less informed about Sudan. Hopefully, people will become more informed more quickly than they have about the Gaza genocide.
Perhaps you could direct your posts towards informing people about the situations in Sudan, Myanmar, Tibet, North Korea, and Sri Lanka, rather than what appears to be a vague criticism aimed towards protesters against the killing of Palestinians.

 

[Manchester33]

I'm more concerned that people are only now working out that the UAE engages in geopolitical gamemanship including arming some less than moral people to achieve their aims.

Wait until you learn what Western countries have been doing in the rest of the world for about a thousand years. Or China, Japan, India, basically every regional power.

That’s fair - but directly funding and supporting a militia that are committing genocide shouldn’t be brushed off as ‘political gamesmanship’.

 

[Damocles]

That’s fair - but directly funding and supporting a militia that are committing genocide shouldn’t be brushed off as ‘political gamesmanship’.

But it is?

The Sudanese military, who have also been accused of genocide and are financially supported by both Russia and Iran, are direct competitors to the UAE in terms of the resources there and Iran specifically have been in a long term proxy war with over control of the Persian Gulf, the world's major artery for trade.

Sheikh Mansour didn't wake up one day and decide he was going to randomly get involved in a civil war between two sides of a militia that initiated a coup then argued about who would take charge so started shooting at each other. It's an attempt to quell Iranian control in a major resource network.

That's politics. It's not right, but it isn't some novel event either. The US aren't funding Ukraine due to their love of freedom and liberty either. I'm surprised people are surprised.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

I'm more concerned that people are only now working out that the UAE engages in geopolitical gamemanship including arming some less than moral people to achieve their aims.

Wait until you learn what Western countries have been doing in the rest of the world for about a thousand years. Or China, Japan, India, basically every regional power.

How naive are some people to the realities of the world? Wait until you work out who invented ISIS.

Lets not brush this aside as gamesmanship, is that what we call it now? was it gamesmanship back in the 30's? I understand having a soft spot for the associates of the club but lets do better.

 

[Damocles]

Lets not brush this aside as gamesmanship, is that what we call it now? was it gamesmanship back in the 30's? I understand having a soft spot for the associates of the club but lets do better.

But that's what it is. Every country, including the UK engages in it. Many people argue that the UK are doing so right now with Israel. Or not that long ago in Indonesia and East Timor. The US charge sheet for this would be longer than the word limit on posts.

Cold and proxy wars using immoral actors is and always has been a thing.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

But that's what it is. Every country, including the UK engages in it. Many people argue that the UK are doing so right now with Israel. Or not that long ago in Indonesia and East Timor. The US charge sheet for this would be longer than the word limit on posts.

Cold and proxy wars using immoral actors is and always has been a thing.

So that's what it was in 1930s Germany?

 

[Damocles]

So that's what it was in 1930s Germany?

Are you purposely asking stupid questions?

Are you comparing, say, the US funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight Russians to the fucking Holocaust?

 

[East Level 2]

It is absolutely right that people march against the behaviour of the Israeli government.
It has taken 70+ years to reach this point despite much evidence.
People are, currently, less informed about Sudan. Hopefully, people will become more informed more quickly than they have about the Gaza genocide.
Perhaps you could direct your posts towards informing people about the situations in Sudan, Myanmar, Tibet, North Korea, and Sri Lanka, rather than what appears to be a vague criticism aimed towards protesters against the killing of Palestinians.

The situation in those countries varies but is well known, but I'd leave out North Korea as they are persecuting their own people and there isn't a global North Korean diaspora to protest on there behalf. If it's anti-Muslim persecution you can add in the treatment of Uighur Muslims in China. - Where are all the demonstrations of solidarity? And you missed Yemen where people are dying in a proxy war.

 

[Manchester33]

But it is?

The Sudanese military, who have also been accused of genocide and are financially supported by both Russia and Iran, are direct competitors to the UAE in terms of the resources there and Iran specifically have been in a long term proxy war with over control of the Persian Gulf, the world's major artery for trade.

Sheikh Mansour didn't wake up one day and decide he was going to randomly get involved in a civil war between two sides of a militia that initiated a coup then argued about who would take charge so started shooting at each other. It's an attempt to quell Iranian control in a major resource network.

That's politics. It's not right, but it isn't some novel event either. The US aren't funding Ukraine due to their love of freedom and liberty either. I'm surprised people are surprised.

Funding a militia engaged in a civil war…. Fair enough, geopolitics (as you said).

Funding a militia who are committing genocide as part of their civil war…. Unacceptable.

I think we’re capable of applying nuance and reacting appropriately.

If the UAE are funding the RSF they should be in a position to deter such incidents.

 

[bernard o'silver]

Thanks for that information. Feeling disturbed about it … CTID not quite the same, needs calling out though.

 

[urban genie]

The situation in those countries varies but is well known, but I'd leave out North Korea as they are persecuting their own people and there isn't a global North Korean diaspora to protest on there behalf. If it's anti-Muslim persecution you can add in the treatment of Uighur Muslims in China. - Where are all the demonstrations of solidarity? And you missed Yemen where people are dying in a proxy war.

There are protests on the Ulghur issue most weeks across the country and a boycot campaign against companies who use products are produced by forced labour.
Tibet, Yemen, khurdistan rights movements have regular protest pass thrpugh town. at weekends and the gardens will normally have some group at the Statue or Vicky, and you will see other activists on stalls market st, yes they are small but they are regular, Sudan, Nigeria, Ukraine, Bruma and the Congo will have had similar

Palestinian protests were also like these, small maybe 40-60 people but the events since the IDFs indiscriminate slaughter and displacement of all in Gaza began has see them grow along with themedia attwntoon it is given and also groups like the Social worker gimps and obviously that numbnut corbyn being vocal about it.

It is a failing of our media that many of the tragedies happenig globally and what role Britian or its friends have in it. itnwill also. be a failing of those so called peace and activist who love a placard promoters if they don't gice this the same level of passion and outrage as they do ones where western interests are directly involved.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Are you purposely asking stupid questions?

Are you comparing, say, the US funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight Russians to the fucking Holocaust?

You are the one being stupid here because Nazi Germany also funded Franco and Mussolini or are you being selective with what you consider evil and what you consider "regional gamesmanship" or are you just a morally bankrupt dumb person?