The Russians are on their way...why am I not shocked.

[west didsblue]

It seems that many in this thread are ignorant of Russian Expansionism which has been going on and off since about 1800, Putin is just carrying on where other have left off. Having the Ukraine as a buffer state between Russia and the rest of Europe serves us all quite well because who knows which country Vlad may fancy annexing next

Who knows where he will stop, like I have said before there are strong shades of The Sudeten crisis in what has gone on in Crimea

I agree that the annexation of the Sudetenland is the closest parallel to what has happened in the Crimea, I suspect Transnistria and Abkhazia will be next.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

It seems that many in this thread are ignorant of Russian Expansionism which has been going on and off since about 1800, Putin is just carrying on where other have left off. Having the Ukraine as a buffer state between Russia and the rest of Europe serves us all quite well because who knows which country Vlad may fancy annexing next

Who knows where he will stop, like I have said before there are strong shades of The Sudeten crisis in what has gone on in Crimea

Untwist your knickers.

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

 

[dazdon]

It seems that many in this thread are ignorant of Russian Expansionism which has been going on and off since about 1800, Putin is just carrying on where other have left off. Having the Ukraine as a buffer state between Russia and the rest of Europe serves us all quite well because who knows which country Vlad may fancy annexing next

Who knows where he will stop, like I have said before there are strong shades of The Sudeten crisis in what has gone on in Crimea

Untwist your knickers.

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

The US are just more subtle they do it via business interests or just blatantly bombing the shit out of a country.

I wonder how many South American countries have US sponsored govt officials acting as puppets for them?

At least the Crimeans got a vote which was more than a lot of US run proxy governments got.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Untwist your knickers.

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

The US are just more subtle they do it via business interests or just blatantly bombing the shit out of a country.

I wonder how many South American countries have US sponsored govt officials acting as puppets for them?

At least the Crimeans got a vote which was more than a lot of US run proxy governments got.

Im not searching for an argument its just funny how people think annexing a part of a country is okay if the politics is left leaning from the country doing the annexing
The Ukraine a few months ago has a sponsored puppet running the Ukraine for them, probably a few other countries near Russia with the same deal as well

 

[mcmanus]

It seems that many in this thread are ignorant of Russian Expansionism which has been going on and off since about 1800, Putin is just carrying on where other have left off. Having the Ukraine as a buffer state between Russia and the rest of Europe serves us all quite well because who knows which country Vlad may fancy annexing next

Who knows where he will stop, like I have said before there are strong shades of The Sudeten crisis in what has gone on in Crimea

Untwist your knickers.

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

Never had a mate blown to kingdom come because of a stupid war Russia dragged us into.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Untwist your knickers.

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

Never had a mate blown to kingdom come because of a stupid war Russia dragged us into.

Nor have I mate but I wouldn't say its the USA's fault that our government join in

 

[aguero93:20]

When you say puppet, do you mean the democratically elected pro-russian leader or the pro-western leader who took power in a coup? :)

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

The US are just more subtle they do it via business interests or just blatantly bombing the shit out of a country.

I wonder how many South American countries have US sponsored govt officials acting as puppets for them?

At least the Crimeans got a vote which was more than a lot of US run proxy governments got.

Im not searching for an argument its just funny how people think annexing a part of a country is okay if the politics is left leaning from the country doing the annexing
The Ukraine a few months ago has a sponsored puppet running the Ukraine for them, probably a few other countries near Russia with the same deal as well

 

[dazdon]

I know you don't want a barney Blueboy and I didn't want to seem I was attacking you, just making a point m8.

Aguero.....either one of the two ;-)

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

When you say puppet, do you mean the democratically elected pro-russian leader or the pro-western leader who took power in a coup? :)

The US are just more subtle they do it via business interests or just blatantly bombing the shit out of a country.

I wonder how many South American countries have US sponsored govt officials acting as puppets for them?

At least the Crimeans got a vote which was more than a lot of US run proxy governments got.

Im not searching for an argument its just funny how people think annexing a part of a country is okay if the politics is left leaning from the country doing the annexing
The Ukraine a few months ago has a sponsored puppet running the Ukraine for them, probably a few other countries near Russia with the same deal as well

Yes democratically elected but I would suspect the same puppets he was talking about were also democratically elected. It does tend to happen in other countries as well. Egypt springs to mind. Leader was democratically elected, turns out they didn't like him and got rid

 

[aguero93:20]

Yep, fairly normal fact of life, big countries constantly looking to take control of smaller countries, us still by far the worst though.

When you say puppet, do you mean the democratically elected pro-russian leader or the pro-western leader who took power in a coup? :)

Im not searching for an argument its just funny how people think annexing a part of a country is okay if the politics is left leaning from the country doing the annexing
The Ukraine a few months ago has a sponsored puppet running the Ukraine for them, probably a few other countries near Russia with the same deal as well

Yes democratically elected but I would suspect the same puppets he was talking about were also democratically elected. It does tend to happen in other countries as well. Egypt springs to mind. Leader was democratically elected, turns out they didn't like him and got rid

 

[mancityvstoke]

So if Russia invades the Ukraine is that us at war?

 

[mcmanus]

Funny to think how different your reply would be if it was the US doing this at the moment

Never had a mate blown to kingdom come because of a stupid war Russia dragged us into.

Nor have I mate but I wouldn't say its the USA's fault that our government join in

I do.

 

[Metal Biker]

So if Russia invades the Ukraine is that us at war?

There would certainly be a case to answer from Ukraine given the fact we, the Americans and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum recognising their sovereignty from Russia. Crimea could be argued (by some) that Russia hasn't breached that to the point of war. An invasion of Ukraine would blow all doubt out of the water.

 

[aguero93:20]

So if Russia invades the Ukraine is that us at war?

There would certainly be a case to answer from Ukraine given the fact we, the Americans and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum recognising their sovereignty from Russia. Crimea could be argued (by some) that Russia hasn't breached that to the point of war. An invasion of Ukraine would blow all doubt out of the water.

I'd be surprised all the same if the UK and USA will do anything without the support of the bigger nations in Europe though, the USA haven't picked a fight with a country realistically big enough to draw blood since WW2 and the UK won't want the expenditure occurred in such a war. imo it all depends on what Germany and France decide to do and if it looks like those two are going to get involved as well Russia will back down fairly quickly. At the same time those two countries are over-reliant on Russia for energy atm so it's far from a sure thing.
Bottom line is all the countries I've mentioned only ever act in their own best interests.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Never had a mate blown to kingdom come because of a stupid war Russia dragged us into.

Nor have I mate but I wouldn't say its the USA's fault that our government join in

I do.

How do you figure that out the President of the USA does not order our troops to fight, that came from one fucking man and his lies<br /><br />-- 24 Mar 2014, 14:23 --<br /><br />

So if Russia invades the Ukraine is that us at war?

There would certainly be a case to answer from Ukraine given the fact we, the Americans and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum recognising their sovereignty from Russia. Crimea could be argued (by some) that Russia hasn't breached that to the point of war. An invasion of Ukraine would blow all doubt out of the water.

I'd be surprised all the same if the UK and USA will do anything without the support of the bigger nations in Europe though, the USA haven't picked a fight with a country realistically big enough to draw blood since WW2 and the UK won't want the expenditure occurred in such a war. imo it all depends on what Germany and France decide to do and if it looks like those two are going to get involved as well Russia will back down fairly quickly. At the same time those two countries are over-reliant on Russia for energy atm so it's far from a sure thing.
Bottom line is all the countries I've mentioned only ever act in their own best interests.

Wonder if China would jump in, despite building up a serious military they have never really looked to interested in war

 

[SWP's back]

Like a certain football club owner?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10713040/Roman-Abramovich-should-face-sanctions-says-Vladimir-Putin-critic.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ritic.html</a>

That horse is shit at hide and seek!

PMSL

 

[aguero93:20]

@BoyBlue don't think they would they have old links with Russia from the communist days, but they do an awful lot of business with the states and I can't see them jeopardising that.
I think they'd probably try to emulate the USA's original plan from both world wars, which would be to stay nominally ' neutral' while making money in any way they could from the conflict.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10713040/Roman-Abramovich-should-face-sanctions-says-Vladimir-Putin-critic.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ritic.html</a>

That horse is shit at hide and seek!

PMSL

wtf is that horse doing there?! lol

 

[Blue Maverick]

With all this sanction stuff flying about how are fixed for gas supplies etc, if the Russians decided to turn the tap off? I know we import quite a bit from them.

 

[buzzer1]

With all this sanction stuff flying about how are fixed for gas supplies etc, if the Russians decided to turn the tap off? I know we import quite a bit from them.

Just ring manweb or one of the others mate, have you up'n running in no time,easy.