The Scottish Politics thread

I don't think he is saying it wasn't or comparing the two, as I read that.

Think the suggestion is a 2 stage vote. One on wanting it, two on definitely
wanting it, in its final format, or abandoning it.

Which, in hindsight, would have been good with Brexit. Not sure if it would have made much difference at the time, doubt anyone was less determined through the 2.5 years of shite between the vote and the final exit.

Maybe we should have a 3rd vote, once we've seen the reality 2 years later and realized how fucking wrong we were, an extra life restart the game!

Joking aside with the last bit, I actually think the original suggestion itself is a fine one and would not have have an issue with it. Unlikely to happen though. But would be a more sensible way to tackle it for sure.
I'm not sure the electorate would understand why there were 2 votes though and may not bother with one or the other. Although I do do get a first vote and a final confirmation vote at the end of all negotiatons when people can see the actual agreements.
 
You’re imagining that voting is a cold, calculated and informed decision making process when the reality is anything but. It’s about emotion, feeling and, quite often, ‘sticking it to the man’. Brexit is the ultimate proof of this and what Scotland has now is exactly what Brexit had then. “All our woes are down to someone else and YOU have the power to change that.“ It’s hardly a surprise that people without a pot to piss in, with no imagined future, with no good education system to see a way out, who couldn’t imagine how things could ‘be any worse than they already were’ were persuaded that it was all Johnny Foreigners fault and that they then voted for the fabled sunny uplands.
Whilst it’s a despicable play book to have run, it was the only one that gave the real elites the chance to achieve their aims and it is the exact same playbook the SNP will be reaching for if and when there is another referendum.

Yes and no.

No in the sense that remember we already had that vote, the cold, calculated informed one. Sure some many would have voted on emotion then too, but studies show that many more really did engage with the detail, on both sides. And that is also my experience of it from everything that went on around me.

Yes in the sense that Brexit has stripped all that away and all that's left is the emotion, and voting with that.

And then there is the fucking nerve of those that voted for brexit with nothing but emotion and utterly fucked it for all of us, to now try preach not voting out of emotion which will only further fuel it.
 
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My company office is in Yorkshire, I moved back to Scotland last year after 18 years working for the same company but WFH in Scotland.

I already pay hundreds of pounds a month extra tax here compared to England I'd hate to think what would happen if SNP got full control.

If Independence does happen I will be moving back to England, no doubt about it.

We all pay more tax than in England. We get more for it. Brexit fucking it all up aside.
 
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I'm not sure the electorate would understand why there were 2 votes though and may not bother with one or the other. Although I do do get a first vote and a final confirmation vote at the end of all negotiatons when people can see the actual agreements.

Possibly.

I think having been through the first indyref, brexref, brexit negotiations, brexit the exit, and the aftemath, the Scottish elecorate might be more switched on than you give them credit. I would have said that at the first two stages, never mind the rest. But who can say.
 
Some of that is true, but the SNP independence campaign will be vastly different to Brexit in one simple respect, Brexit was all about breaking away from the EU closing borders. Scottish Independence campaign will be founded on rejoining the EU, opening borders with free movement possibly even Schengen or even EURO. So it's far from blaming foreigners for the problems. It will be the strength of that campaign that will tip it one way or the other and that's polar opposite to the insular Brexit campaign.
So it’s all the Sassanachs fault then?
 

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