The Scottish Politics thread

[metalblue]

75% is quite a stretch, I struggle to see how anyone on either side could really honestly agree with that. I do however like the idea of a larger majority needed to swing it, there is something logical about it.

Don't think it would work though. Two referendums have already gone with a simple majority. This would then be seen as shifting the goalposts, and say there somehow was a majority but not significant enough to settle it, it would just start all over again, or at the very least there would be bitterness and more division. Besides, don't think those pursuing it would accept it.

It would have to be on a simple majority but as things stand a narrow victory for leave would fuel divide further, best out of 3 and all that. In the absence of a resounding victory for either side it will keep bubbling to the surface.

Westminster could offer a second Indy ref for 2034, that’s a generation after the last vote which ought to make the result less contentious. It will give both the UK and Scottish governments time to work out what an independent Scotland’s relationship with the rest of the UK looks like so that the decision can be implemented pretty much immediately. It can clear the airways for some actually politics that helps Scotland from the SNP rather than this constant noise around independence (although credit them for their NHS pay offer, Uk should follow suit). None of the current crop of politicians need to worry about it as few will still be there come 2034. I don’t see a downside.

 

[Coatigan]

It would have to be on a simple majority but as things stand a narrow victory for leave would fuel divide further, best out of 3 and all that. In the absence of a resounding victory for either side it will keep bubbling to the surface.

Westminster could offer a second Indy ref for 2034, that’s a generation after the last vote which ought to make the result less contentious. It will give both the UK and Scottish governments time to work out what an independent Scotland’s relationship with the rest of the UK looks like so that the decision can be implemented pretty much immediately. It can clear the airways for some actually politics that helps Scotland from the SNP rather than this constant noise around independence (although credit them for their NHS pay offer, Uk should follow suit). None of the current crop of politicians need to worry about it as few will still be there come 2034. I don’t see a downside.

I don't see an upside. For anyone really.

Agree that a narrow victory could however take time to get over divisions, particularly in the current situatuon which is low and negative as is.

 

[metalblue]

I don't see an upside. For anyone really.

Agree that a narrow victory could however take time to get over divisions, particularly in the current situatuon which is low and negative as is.

How long do you think it would take to put a withdrawal deal together between Scotland and the rest of UK ? It will make Brexit seem simple and look how that’s turned out. If you had the referendum tomorrow and won I doubt Scotland would be out of the union in the next decade. It would also allow Scotland to present a genuine picture of what independence would really look like - imagine voting in a referendum where there was no “project fear”. People will vote remain simply because they are afraid of uncertainty, remove that uncertainty and you get as close to the free will of the people as you ever will. None of this “they lied to us”, “that’s not what we voted for”.

 

[Coatigan]

How long do you think it would take to put a withdrawal deal together between Scotland and the rest of UK ? It will make Brexit seem simple and look how that’s turned out. If you had the referendum tomorrow and won I doubt Scotland would be out of the union in the next decade. It would also allow Scotland to present a genuine picture of what independence would really look like - imagine voting in a referendum where there was no “project fear”. People will vote remain simply because they are afraid of uncertainty, remove that uncertainty and you get as close to the free will of the people as you ever will. None of this “they lied to us”, “that’s not what we voted for”.

Nobody would entertain that picture, not unleas it was actually in process. And why would they. I get your thinking. Don't think it would work, don't think it would help anyone. Westminster would be seen as enabling it, Holyrood as gradually sneaking it through, the peopke would be exhausted.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I liked Blackford at PMQs. Apparently all to do with his support for an alleged dodgy MP.

I say good riddance to the fat, obnoxious twat.

 

[blueparrot]

I say good riddance to the fat, obnoxious twat.

Of course you would, wouldn’t want anyone holding those twats sat opposite to account and pointing out their lies.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Of course you would, wouldn’t want anyone holding those twats sat opposite to account and pointing out their lies.

Mhairi Black next please.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Mhairi Black next please.

A genuine socialist and great speaker. What a shame labour are too much of a sham to attract her.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I liked Blackford at PMQs. Apparently all to do with his support for an alleged dodgy MP.

Someone has obviously dug up some dirt on him because he was keen to be re-elected as leader last week.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

A genuine socialist and great speaker. What a shame labour are too much of a sham to attract her.

No one would elect her down here.