The Scottish Politics thread

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Magicpole said:
I know. The key is Scottish Labour voters have a choice. They either accept their party will never be in power and choose to be run by Toffs in London, or they are a future for their party going it alone. If they keep voting No we are fucked but a 3% swing in their vote is all it takes. As Brexit continues to bite deeper and national Labour continue their tailspin or become Tory Lite they may say fuck it. They need to know they will in effect be voting for Tory rule of one shade or another from.now on.
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and how in the name of mary, joseph and the wee donkey can they keep voting for Scotland remaining under Tory rule from Westminster.
Its looking good so far though. East Lothian was a good gain. You made a difference :-)
 
If the snp were to hold all their seats, those two gained alone would be enough to get them a majority.



Of course those two gains means at regional their share gets divided further. Might not affect Lothian, but they may lose their list seat in the south as a result of that gain.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
and how in the name of mary, joseph and the wee donkey can they keep voting for Scotland remaining under Tory rule from Westminster.
Its looking good so far though. East Lothian was a good gain. You made a difference :-)
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I think the win here was probably down to me too. :) As for voting for Tory rule from London, this is a question for Scottish Labour voters. If they choose Tories, they aren't Labour as I knew it. They will be fucking serfs voting for a feudal system that sees no power given to Scotland.
 
Coatigan said:
If the snp were to hold all their seats, those two gained alone would be enough to get them a majority.



Of course those two gains means at regional their share gets divided further. Might not affect Lothian, but they may lose their list seat in the south as a result of that gain.
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It's a complicated system deliberately set to prevent a majority and keep us quiet.
 
Magicpole said:
It's a complicated system deliberately set to prevent a majority and keep us quiet.
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It was certainly designed to prevent a majority, not sure I beleive the second part myself but who can say.
 
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So, Johnson depends on a PR system preventing the SNP from getting the sort of overall majority in Scotland that with the same system for Westminster would mean he's not the Prime Minister.
 
It has taken 43 seats being declared, for Labour to win their first seat! Let That sink in.

Mind you only two Tory seats in that as well.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I know someone on here explained how before and it went over my head.
Can someone have another go at explaining the Mixture of FPTP and PR.

Please.
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It is a Hybrid system. 129 seats in total. 73 consticuency seats and 56 regional seats.

we get two votes.

the 73 are flat out FPTP and the first vote. They are what is being announced just now.

the 56 additional are elected via the second vote and are grouped into 8 bigger regions, each having 7 seats. This is the 'PR' element.

I put that under quotation marks, as it isnt true PR. It is adjusted PR. because the votes a party get within that region, are lessened by dividing them by the number of constituency seats won + 1. It effectively punishes a party doing well and gives others another chance. That isnt a complaint, just the best way i can think of putting it. So a party with say 150,000 regional votes can be pipped to that seat by a party with 10,000 votes if that party has won 0 constuency seats, as they keep all 10,000 votes which dont get divided. For example snp's 47% of regional votes gave them only 4 seats last election, while the tories with 22% got 22 regional seats. As the SNP won far more seats at constituency level.


The more a party wins at constuency level, the less theyl get at a regional. And vice versa.

make sense?
 
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I see Jack holds eastwood. Snp vote share increases by 6% and the tory share increases by circa 6%, coinciding with labour's decrease. Nothing tactical there.
 
Coatigan said:
It is a Hybrid system. 129 seats in total. 73 consticuency seats and 56 regional seats.

we get two votes.

the 73 are flat out FPTP and the first vote. They are what is being announced just now.

the 56 additional are elected via the second vote and are grouped into 8 bigger regions, each having 7 seats. This is the 'PR' element.

I put that under quotation marks, as it isnt true PR. It is adjusted PR. because the votes a party get within that region, are lessened by dividing them by the number of constituency seats won + 1. It effectively punishes a party doing well and gives others another chance. That isnt a complaint, just the best way i can think of putting it. So a party with say 150,000 regional votes can be pipped to that seat by a party with 10,000 votes if that party has won 0 constuency seats, as they keep all 10,000 votes which dont get divided. For example snp's 47% of regional votes gave them only 4 seats last election, while the tories with 22% got 22 regional seats. As the SNP won far more seats at constituency level.


The more a party wins at constuency level, the less theyl get at a regional. And vice versa.

make sense?
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Maths not my strong point, but this must make it hard to get a big majority? - Maybe that's the point
 
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