The strangeness at Barca - worst ever transfer transaction?

We offered £25 million for eto + Hleb on loan for a season say £5 million worth that values Ibra at £70 million - for a player worse than the one they have let go.

£70 million and going backwards how can that be a good deal ?

They should have kept the relationship with Eto good and given him the improved contract he wanted IMO better to pay him £180k a week than get reemed like this.

its a backwards step for Barca and a very very expensive one. Eto got 40 goals last season, leading scorer in the champions league. If Ibra does not improve on this its a bad signing. Impossible for him to improve on those sort of stats.
 
why would you want a player to be on a team when they can corrupt the harmony?? eto wanted to be the highest paid.. and barca know and notice, because they don't want to repeat the complacent season with dinho.. I still think barca made the right move..
 
Rammy Blue said:
beggars belief that it actually values Ibra at £65mil considering we were offering 25mil for Eto'o.

utter lunacy.

next worst has to be 30mil odd for Sheva.

Not forgetting £28m for Seba
 
Good deal for Barca, they got the best striker in the world and got rid of Eto’o before he became a Bosman.
Eto’o is a troublemaker and the Barca fans have never forgotten where he came from in the beginning. So bye bye Samuel.
We should be glad that he’s not here.
 
They have just said on SSN that Barca get big nose. Milan get Eto and Hleb (On loan) plus £38.5 big ones. Milan must be laughing there socks off. Not being picky (Excuse the pun) if you were Ibra with all you money would you have a nose job!!
 
Seems to me they were pretty much willing to pay just to get rid of Eto'o. Ibrahimovic was also hugely important to Inter, they were not just gonna swap him straight for Eto'o. Eto'o isn't at all as important to Barca even though he scores the goals. Again though, trust me when I say that Ibra will be brilliant with these guys.
 
It always amazes me to see people slag off Ibrahimovic like so many on here do. That tells me they haven't seen him play more than three or four times.

Ibrahimovic is going to absolutely kill in that lineup. He's the only player I'd rather have seen City bring in over Adebayor to play up top. Great size, excellent strength, ridiculous skill, and much better pace than many think.

We'll see what the doubters are saying in a few months once they've actually seen Ibrahimovic play and not read some idiot London journo dumping on him based on 90 minutes.
 
We will see like I said. But if he doesnt score 40 goals + and end up leading scorer int he Champions league its a backwards step as that is his bench mark.

He will be seen as a bad signing come end of next season IMO we can revist this then ! HE is not worth £70 million more than Eto and I refuse to accept he is as good as Eto based on what I have seen.
 
alera said:
HE is not worth £70 million more than Eto and I refuse to accept he is as good as Eto based on what I have seen.

There's simply no comparison between Ibrahimovic and Eto'o.

I watched damn near every Barcelona match last season, and I can't begin to tell you how many of Eto'o's goals were easy tap-ins or poaching efforts that owed their existence to the work of the quality quartet of Messi/Henry/Xavi/Iniesta that surrounded him. Ibrahimovic will convert those chances every bit as ruthlessly as Eto'o, but is far, far better at making his own chances.

The European champs just got that much stronger.
 
AntMcfc said:
A lot of people on here don't rate Ibra because they don't watch him play. They'll see him in 2 games per season in the CL and he'll be starved of any service all night because Inter are CL failures, and they'll pass judgement on Ibra. Lets get this straight, Ibra is 10 times better than Adebayor, and the whole forum is currently shooting their load over Ade...
who the f**k do you think you are ,you can tell schools out
 
There's a huge difference in players worth and market value. If say, Robinho had won you the Prem three years in a row and been your main outlet together with Zabaleta on the right, scoring almost every single decisive goal during that period... would you sell him for any less than 60M?

And on the other hand, if you had won the triple with Barca style play and Bellamy had scored some 30 tap-ins (with the odd beauty in the CL-final)... and now decided to leave on a free next season if he didn't get Robinho-money (with a unwritten rule that Robbie is the top earner), leaving you with a month to get things sorted or be royally effed... would you throw him into a deal that would land you Torres for 40M?


The deal is simply good business for both clubs. Though Ibra has been extremely important for us (most say better than Ronaldo, the non-fat one), the fact is that he wanted out and that we had become far too dependent on him which actually held us back in CL with a hugely static attack (mark Ibra = kill Inter's attack, force Inter's other players back to basics in remembering how the eff you played football other than hoofing it to the brill target man). It was a delight watching Inter destroy Milan 2-0 the other day (Milito 2 goals, Eto'o yet to join) cause the players actually took some responsibility and worked together as a team and Muntari even went in for seconds after hugging Milito (the way ibra behaved after going out in this years CL he probably would have flipped him the finger!). We are on the move again, back to where we were 2 years ago when we probably were the best team in the world on the pitch (winning with 3 and 4 goals). Everything is there; from a United/Liverpool-stopping midfield, to world class defence, to the best goalie in the world, to a couple of die hard attackers (and let's not forget Balotelli) who will get the job done without the whinge. All that's needed is someone who will feed the ball or for the already present players to start taking responsibility again. And with three class finishers on top... hey... there's quite a few targets to aim at...

And Barca... Well, let's hope he they don't get Ibradepende (an actual phrase) and that he doesn't get fed up and destroys the team moral. If they don't and he doesn't, they will have a player with unbelivable athletic abilities and skill, that for the first time in his career wont have the responsibility of carrying the team, in a new no marking enviroment. I mean, this could be absolutely devastating seeing how he usually taps in on the close attention of at least two defenders. And against teams like Chelsea which provided them with a lot of problems last year, phew, it could potentially be a entirely different story with a holding number nine who's able to find the angles and "no-effing-way"-passes & goals. I mean, do you stop the supply from the midfield or the one from Ibra? Meanwhile, who marks Henry and Messi? If they hadn't gone for him, risk and all, they would have been faced with an entirely different beast next year when Eto'o left. Who would they hire? How much would he cost? Would he accept a salary below Messi's? Who else would accept Etoo's salary demands except Inter if it came down to another transfer deal (Ibra was already on 12M euros so Etoo's salary... meh, why not? There's already some extra 40M in the piggy bank)? How many of the world forwards actually ticks the boxes Ibrahimovic does? Adebayor? Not even close, and he's like 30M... and City weren't even THAT desperate... (note; not saying Adebayor is shit, I just don't think he's anywhere near the standards of Tevez and RSC, or Ibrahimovic)


So, when looking at the deal you can't compare Ibra and Etoos qualities and what fancies you, instead you have to look at how they fit into their particular teams future at this given time. The deal was a bargain and oh eff did we come out on top, Eto'o and Ibra are shit but oh boy are they good...

The alternative of them staying would have been extremely bad for both clubs, but 40M more so for Barca than us. Our grumpy player would have walked home another Serie A title and still be worth something next season...

And that's why deal is what it is.
 
somervillain said:
alera said:
HE is not worth £70 million more than Eto and I refuse to accept he is as good as Eto based on what I have seen.

There's simply no comparison between Ibrahimovic and Eto'o.

I watched damn near every Barcelona match last season, and I can't begin to tell you how many of Eto'o's goals were easy tap-ins or poaching efforts that owed their existence to the work of the quality quartet of Messi/Henry/Xavi/Iniesta that surrounded him. Ibrahimovic will convert those chances every bit as ruthlessly as Eto'o, but is far, far better at making his own chances.

The European champs just got that much stronger.

Let me spare you the effort:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVXbhB0ske4&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID9C9ABqOSQ&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvOafiIBFvw&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2z6_FOs_s&feature=channel

(ALL Barca goals in La Liga, CL and Copa del rey. ENJOY)


And Ibrahimovic's season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RhoxGyPEG0


There's a real art in what Eto'o does though (see; Trezeguet, Inzaghi, Torres, Villa etc) and I'm not a 100% Ibra will be able to score the same sort of goals. He'll bring other things to the table though, just as Eto'o will at Inter.
 
CTfan said:
bugsyblue said:
They've basically paid about £70 million if you take into consideration what Eto'o is worth and the wages of Helb.

Eto'o is better than Ibra, they've been had!

well, another reason he is a good signing is because, he has the ajax connection.. barca had the same philosophy as ajax.. and if you notice, their other acquisition this summer, maxwell is also a former ajax player...

that is a good point, but as someone who has followed Ajax for a good while, Ajax fans didn't rate him....

let me put it this way--no one questioned his talent, but he didn't really 'fit the system' and at that time Ajax were still (somewhat) Ajax and didn't really change the system to adapt to a player, however talented. it's good news for Barca though because as similar as their system is, it's not the same, and the strikers that Ajax fans rate don't always do as well outside of Ajax (Kluivert, Huntelaar so far).

i dont think Barca had a lot of options. they needed to get rid of Eto'o as that situation was absolutely untenable since we told 'em to feck off, and they needed a new striker--preferably someone who can hold up and create as well as poach (Barca's system still have some Crujff in 'em and roles can be very fluid at times). their list, i believe, would consist of about two names: Ibrahimovic and Villa. neither club wanted to part with their striker, so transfer fees would likely have been similarly astronomical, and the Ibrahimovic deal has the added bonus of finding a new home for Eto'o. Barca are cutting their losses but will emerge a better team, talent-wise, than last year (which is f***ing scary). they made the best of a bad situation IMO.
 
nick.nikky said:
There's a huge difference in players worth and market value. If say, Robinho had won you the Prem three years in a row and been your main outlet together with Zabaleta on the right, scoring almost every single decisive goal during that period... would you sell him for any less than 60M?

And on the other hand, if you had won the triple with Barca style play and Bellamy had scored some 30 tap-ins (with the odd beauty in the CL-final)... and now decided to leave on a free next season if he didn't get Robinho-money (with a unwritten rule that Robbie is the top earner), leaving you with a month to get things sorted or be royally effed... would you throw him into a deal that would land you Torres for 40M?


The deal is simply good business for both clubs. Though Ibra has been extremely important for us (most say better than Ronaldo, the non-fat one), the fact is that he wanted out and that we had become far too dependent on him which actually held us back in CL with a hugely static attack (mark Ibra = kill Inter's attack, force Inter's other players back to basics in remembering how the eff you played football other than hoofing it to the brill target man). It was a delight watching Inter destroy Milan 2-0 the other day (Milito 2 goals, Eto'o yet to join) cause the players actually took some responsibility and worked together as a team and Muntari even went in for seconds after hugging Milito (the way ibra behaved after going out in this years CL he probably would have flipped him the finger!). We are on the move again, back to where we were 2 years ago when we probably were the best team in the world on the pitch (winning with 3 and 4 goals). Everything is there; from a United/Liverpool-stopping midfield, to world class defence, to the best goalie in the world, to a couple of die hard attackers (and let's not forget Balotelli) who will get the job done without the whinge. All that's needed is someone who will feed the ball or for the already present players to start taking responsibility again. And with three class finishers on top... hey... there's quite a few targets to aim at...

And Barca... Well, let's hope he they don't get Ibradepende (an actual phrase) and that he doesn't get fed up and destroys the team moral. If they don't and he doesn't, they will have a player with unbelivable athletic abilities and skill, that for the first time in his career wont have the responsibility of carrying the team, in a new no marking enviroment. I mean, this could be absolutely devastating seeing how he usually taps in on the close attention of at least two defenders. And against teams like Chelsea which provided them with a lot of problems last year, phew, it could potentially be a entirely different story with a holding number nine who's able to find the angles and "no-effing-way"-passes & goals. I mean, do you stop the supply from the midfield or the one from Ibra? Meanwhile, who marks Henry and Messi? If they hadn't gone for him, risk and all, they would have been faced with an entirely different beast next year when Eto'o left. Who would they hire? How much would he cost? Would he accept a salary below Messi's? Who else would accept Etoo's salary demands except Inter if it came down to another transfer deal (Ibra was already on 12M euros so Etoo's salary... meh, why not? There's already some extra 40M in the piggy bank)? How many of the world forwards actually ticks the boxes Ibrahimovic does? Adebayor? Not even close, and he's like 30M... and City weren't even THAT desperate... (note; not saying Adebayor is shit, I just don't think he's anywhere near the standards of Tevez and RSC, or Ibrahimovic)


So, when looking at the deal you can't compare Ibra and Etoos qualities and what fancies you, instead you have to look at how they fit into their particular teams future at this given time. The deal was a bargain and oh eff did we come out on top, Eto'o and Ibra are shit but oh boy are they good...

The alternative of them staying would have been extremely bad for both clubs, but 40M more so for Barca than us. Our grumpy player would have walked home another Serie A title and still be worth something next season...

And that's why deal is what it is.

well well well....

a super post that encapsulates everything I was thinking. good work. I'd only add that I think Barca bodged the PR side of things and looked more desperate to sell than need have been the case. It always amazes me how much a well organised campaign of public pronouncements on these issues can affect the prices of deals, even when what is being said is scarcely believable. Barca hardly bothered to pretend that they had any desire to keep Eto'o whatsoever.
 
Again all I can say is you'll see. Zlatan isn't the tap in kind of striker though, doubt he'll score as many as Eto'o but who knows. He'll be more important for them though, besides Eto'o had apparently burned his bridges there anyway.
 
Yes its strange
Yes he's overrated

But 88 apps for Inter - 57 goals not to be sniffed at

Plus they say he was the man carrying inter, they believe with awesome players around him the pressure will be off and he'll flourish
 
One of the best features of Barca's game is that they press the opposition high up the pitch and defend from the front. Eto'o was brilliant at that but I can't see Ibrahimovic being as effective at that which will hurt Barca.
 

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