Banned Tosspot
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I just didn't.mackenzie said:
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The Teacher and the Pupil
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Banned Tosspot said:I just didn't.mackenzie said:Why didn't you like him?
Am not trying to score points here at all. Just interested.
Some girls at my school decided to go for a woman teacher who was very gentle and not assertive at all. She was a good teacher though (she taught Classics and really knew her stuff). The nasty little bastids only picked on her because they saw someone who wouldn't fight back, and they were proven right when she burst into tears one day.
I enjoyed her lessons and it sickened me to see what those girls did. The teacher was incredibly soft though.
Did they try it with the teachers who had control? Not a chance.They used to cower when a certain teacher fixed his gaze on them (he had them sussed). He was Asian and taught English Literature, and had been to Oxford. He was a wonderful teacher. Quite inspiring really.
mammutly
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Some teenagers act out in school in ways that would get them killed if they did it on the streets.
They hide behind the same rules that they themselves ignore and bully teachers in ways that no other system would ever allow.
I'm not saying it's OK for teachers to batter the little gobshites with dumbbells ( ironic) , but you can understand how it happens. We had a Canadian teacher who dragged a lad across a desk and threw him into a wall. But when I think back on it, the lad needed putting in his place because he was really verbally abusing the teacher in a very bad way. Shame the guy got sacked for it.
I think pupils who are consistently abusive to teachers should be charged with threatening behaviour or harassment. They would be in any other walk of life so why should schools be different?
They hide behind the same rules that they themselves ignore and bully teachers in ways that no other system would ever allow.
I'm not saying it's OK for teachers to batter the little gobshites with dumbbells ( ironic) , but you can understand how it happens. We had a Canadian teacher who dragged a lad across a desk and threw him into a wall. But when I think back on it, the lad needed putting in his place because he was really verbally abusing the teacher in a very bad way. Shame the guy got sacked for it.
I think pupils who are consistently abusive to teachers should be charged with threatening behaviour or harassment. They would be in any other walk of life so why should schools be different?
TFC
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mammutly said:Some teenagers act out in school in ways that would get them killed if they did it on the streets.
They hide behind the same rules that they themselves ignore and bully teachers in ways that no other system would ever allow.
I'm not saying it's OK for teachers to batter the little gobshites with dumbbells ( ironic) , but you can understand how it happens. We had a Canadian teacher who dragged a lad across a desk and threw him into a wall. But when I think back on it, the lad needed putting in his place because he was really verbally abusing the teacher in a very bad way. Shame the guy got sacked for it.
I think pupils who are consistently abusive to teachers should be charged with threatening behaviour or harassment. They would be in any other walk of life so why should schools be different?
Its a thankless job thats for sure, and I dont imagine the wages are much cop. Eventually, you can only imagine less people wanting to get into the field, class sizes will become bigger, and kids will leave school thicker as a result.
Like I said earlier in the thread, bodes well for the future...
leighton
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The kids know that they can get away with a hell of a lot more than what we did when we were kids. I remember in classes seeing a certain teacher throwing his keys at some kids if they werent paying attention. I have seen books being thrown at some of the fools who got caught falling asleep and the reactions of some have been quaility.The teachers need to do that to comand the class these days otherwise the kids now run riot.
The worst thing when I was in school and if I got in troble at school was going home to house and my Ma getting the sweeping brush when were not expecting it and whacking us with it. Then when the Da came in the clip around the ear which wasnt as bad as the sweeping brush for a small woman my mother let rip with that sweeping brush. The da would then come home the next day after hitting us with a beano or a footie mag his way of saying sorry for the clip around the ear. We all learn from that and that is what is now missing. The kids nowadays dont get punished for doing wrong.
The worst thing when I was in school and if I got in troble at school was going home to house and my Ma getting the sweeping brush when were not expecting it and whacking us with it. Then when the Da came in the clip around the ear which wasnt as bad as the sweeping brush for a small woman my mother let rip with that sweeping brush. The da would then come home the next day after hitting us with a beano or a footie mag his way of saying sorry for the clip around the ear. We all learn from that and that is what is now missing. The kids nowadays dont get punished for doing wrong.
Mikem93
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I remember a few years back a maths teacher i had did an exchange thing with an australian teacher, the teacher we had originally was one of the ones who didnt take any shit and had no real problems teaching our class. The australian teacher we ended up getting got a right shock because he was used to teaching in a private school where the pupils were all well behaved ( his words) and he couldnt cope at all, before i left we had a conversation in our form and our form teacher was the deputy head of maths and he said the australian guy was in tears in his first few days because he couldnt cope with the classes he had.
We had a few shits in our class but it wasnt a bad class normally but almost all the class underachieved on our SATs because we learnt virtually nothing in the space he was teaching because he spent all his time trying to control the ones who were winding him up it was stupid stuff that just kept wearing him down like people arguing but he wasnt used to it and couldnt handle it well he went off on one at the class shouting about how 'this class is so stupid you probably dont even know what time it is.' He couldnt really do anything because whatever he tried it didnt work and he eventually left early iirc.
We had a few shits in our class but it wasnt a bad class normally but almost all the class underachieved on our SATs because we learnt virtually nothing in the space he was teaching because he spent all his time trying to control the ones who were winding him up it was stupid stuff that just kept wearing him down like people arguing but he wasnt used to it and couldnt handle it well he went off on one at the class shouting about how 'this class is so stupid you probably dont even know what time it is.' He couldnt really do anything because whatever he tried it didnt work and he eventually left early iirc.
urmston
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Maybe the tide is now turning. First we get 'reasonable restraint' allowed in the classroom and now it seems that even if a teacher beats you with a heavy weight and leaves you permanently damaged he won't be going to jail.
bluefandk
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My dad is a retired teacher, he use to say that its not the kids, that have changed, its their parents.
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bluefandk said:My dad is a retired teacher, he use to say that its not the kids, that have changed, its their parents.
It's correct. I work in a school and you'd be shocked at some of the things the kids do. The kids have no respect, restraint or common sense, not because they don't like the person but because they were never taught it by their parents.
When I see the parents coming into the school, they are practically older versions of the kids. Tracksuits, hair gelled within an inch of it's life, swearing like a sailor and practically screaming that their child is an angel and couldn't possibly do what they have been accused of.
Mcfcfaulky
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Mikem93 said:I remember a few years back a maths teacher i had did an exchange thing with an australian teacher, the teacher we had originally was one of the ones who didnt take any shit and had no real problems teaching our class. The australian teacher we ended up getting got a right shock because he was used to teaching in a private school where the pupils were all well behaved ( his words) and he couldnt cope at all, before i left we had a conversation in our form and our form teacher was the deputy head of maths and he said the australian guy was in tears in his first few days because he couldnt cope with the classes he had.
We had a few shits in our class but it wasnt a bad class normally but almost all the class underachieved on our SATs because we learnt virtually nothing in the space he was teaching because he spent all his time trying to control the ones who were winding him up it was stupid stuff that just kept wearing him down like people arguing but he wasnt used to it and couldnt handle it well he went off on one at the class shouting about how 'this class is so stupid you probably dont even know what time it is.' He couldnt really do anything because whatever he tried it didnt work and he eventually left early iirc.
You didn't go to Hazel Grove High by any chance did you?
TFC said:Its a thankless job thats for sure, and I dont imagine the wages are much cop.
You'd be surprised, the pay is very good and if you're good enough (or lucky enough) then you can earn over £100k as a headteacher. £22k for a graduate is a good wage I would say, plus the golden handshake of £6000 in shortage subjects is a nice thing as well, but then there is the added bonus of quarter of the year off work!!