The Tottenham Thread 12/13

[Heart.net]

Re: The Tottenham Thr aead 12/13

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

Spurs spent around 50m this summer but they actually made a profit of around 10 million with the sales of Modric and VDV. They cannot afford to spend outside of thier means and their business model of buying youth, generating them, and them making a profit has reaped rewards where you now see them as an established top 4/5 team.

Many clubs can spend outside of their means but it will catch up to them eg: Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers...

For example take a look at Chelsea, they were on the cusp of going into administration spending massively without having any means of generating income to pay for it, before they had their arses saved by Abramovich and are now a title challenging side. Had that not happened they surely would've gone in the same direction of Leeds. This in turn negates all the good work clubs like Spurs do to maintain a challenge within the league. So, what i mean is, it is what is wrong with modern football these days. What is the message that is being sent out? Not one of hard work and determination. Not that diligence and patience will one day pay off and reap benefits. The message being sent out is that unless you have a wealthy investor come in and spend half a billion on the team, all the hard work will have been in vain.

That is a macrocosm of much that is wrong with football these days. Many of you say a cheat is a disgrace to football, well isn't spending a fortune on a football team and rocketing your way to success in a few short years, while clubs with business models that strive to bring them the same success within admirable means, cheating as well?

 

[jimharri]

Re: The Tottenham Thr aead 12/13

One could also say that clubs like City and Chelsea buying their way to success in just a few years, brushing aside clubs like spurs/everton in the process who are progressing on their own merit, are whats wrong with modern football

So; Spurs haven't bought any of their first choice XI then?

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

Spurs spent around 50m this summer but they actually made a profit of around 10 million with the sales of Modric and VDV. They cannot afford to spend outside of thier means and their business model of buying youth, generating them, and them making a profit has reaped rewards where you now see them as an established top 4/5 team.

Many clubs can spend outside of their means but it will catch up to them eg: Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers...

For example take a look at Chelsea, they were on the cusp of going into administration spending massively without having any means of generating income to pay for it, before they had their arses saved by Abramovich and are now a title challenging side. Had that not happened they surely would've gone in the same direction of Leeds. This in turn negates all the good work clubs like Spurs do to maintain a challenge within the league. So, what i mean is, it is what is wrong with modern football these days. What is the message that is being sent out? Not one of hard work and determination. Not that diligence and patience will one day pay off and reap benefits. The message being sent out is that unless you have a wealthy investor come in and spend half a billion on the team, all the hard work will have been in vain.

That is a macrocosm of much that is wrong with football these days. Many of you say a cheat is a disgrace to football, well isn't spending a fortune on a football team and rocketing your way to success in a few short years, while clubs with business models that strive to bring them the same success within admirable means, cheating as well?

Two of them, actually.

 

[hertsblue]

Bale is a diver full stop, but he seems to get booked for each dive and rightly so. However in Bales defence, there are dozens of similar dives each weekend in the PL which are not given as fouls so the referee has thought its not a foul yet the yellow card is rarely given so its Bale who makes all the headlines.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: The Tottenham Thr aead 12/13

One could also say that clubs like City and Chelsea buying their way to success in just a few years, brushing aside clubs like spurs/everton in the process who are progressing on their own merit, are whats wrong with modern football

So; Spurs haven't bought any of their first choice XI then?

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

Spurs spent around 50m this summer but they actually made a profit of around 10 million with the sales of Modric and VDV. They cannot afford to spend outside of thier means and their business model of buying youth, generating them, and them making a profit has reaped rewards where you now see them as an established top 4/5 team.

Many clubs can spend outside of their means but it will catch up to them eg: Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers...

For example take a look at Chelsea, they were on the cusp of going into administration spending massively without having any means of generating income to pay for it, before they had their arses saved by Abramovich and are now a title challenging side. Had that not happened they surely would've gone in the same direction of Leeds. This in turn negates all the good work clubs like Spurs do to maintain a challenge within the league. So, what i mean is, it is what is wrong with modern football these days. What is the message that is being sent out? Not one of hard work and determination. Not that diligence and patience will one day pay off and reap benefits. The message being sent out is that unless you have a wealthy investor come in and spend half a billion on the team, all the hard work will have been in vain.

That is a macrocosm of much that is wrong with football these days. Many of you say a cheat is a disgrace to football, well isn't spending a fortune on a football team and rocketing your way to success in a few short years, while clubs with business models that strive to bring them the same success within admirable means, cheating as well?

All money in a football club is given to it by someone else, whether it be from one person's personal wealth or the CEO or Chairman of a big company signing the lucrative contract, it makes no difference. We earn more money because a wealthy royal wants to put his money into our club, the clubs that support FFPR on a international and national scale are the real evil as they want to close the shop door on other genuine clubs and stop the Everton's ever catching up, they made it commercial, they took the most money and now they want to protect themselves, clubs like Spurs with their multiple shirt sponsors and high ticket prices forcing other clubs to do the same just to try and keep up, you're far more of an evil than we will ever be.

 

[Speaker]

Bale is a diver full stop, but he seems to get booked for each dive and rightly so. However in Bales defence, there are dozens of similar dives each weekend in the PL which are not given as fouls so the referee has thought its not a foul yet the yellow card is rarely given so its Bale who makes all the headlines.

That is quite an important and fair point in all fairness. There was at least three other incidences that day where a player went down and there was no foul given, and no yellow card given for simulation. (The difference being that Bale was incorrectly given a yellow card, and it was a foul).

 

[Mark - TheBlue]

Re: The Tottenham Thr aead 12/13

One could also say that clubs like City and Chelsea buying their way to success in just a few years, brushing aside clubs like spurs/everton in the process who are progressing on their own merit, are whats wrong with modern football

So; Spurs haven't bought any of their first choice XI then?

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

Spurs spent around 50m this summer but they actually made a profit of around 10 million with the sales of Modric and VDV. They cannot afford to spend outside of thier means and their business model of buying youth, generating them, and them making a profit has reaped rewards where you now see them as an established top 4/5 team.

Many clubs can spend outside of their means but it will catch up to them eg: Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers...

For example take a look at Chelsea, they were on the cusp of going into administration spending massively without having any means of generating income to pay for it, before they had their arses saved by Abramovich and are now a title challenging side. Had that not happened they surely would've gone in the same direction of Leeds. This in turn negates all the good work clubs like Spurs do to maintain a challenge within the league. So, what i mean is, it is what is wrong with modern football these days. What is the message that is being sent out? Not one of hard work and determination. Not that diligence and patience will one day pay off and reap benefits. The message being sent out is that unless you have a wealthy investor come in and spend half a billion on the team, all the hard work will have been in vain.

That is a macrocosm of much that is wrong with football these days. Many of you say a cheat is a disgrace to football, well isn't spending a fortune on a football team and rocketing your way to success in a few short years, while clubs with business models that strive to bring them the same success within admirable means, cheating as well?

You forgot to also say

"When the arab guy gets bored of his play thing"

My word you are silly.

 

[Dzeko's Right Boot]

One could also say that clubs like City and Chelsea buying their way to success in just a few years, brushing aside clubs like spurs/everton in the process who are progressing on their own merit, are whats wrong with modern football

So; Spurs haven't bought any of their first choice XI then?

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

Spurs spent around 50m this summer but they actually made a profit of around 10 million with the sales of Modric and VDV. They cannot afford to spend outside of thier means and their business model of buying youth, generating them, and them making a profit has reaped rewards where you now see them as an established top 4/5 team.

Many clubs can spend outside of their means but it will catch up to them eg: Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers...

For example take a look at Chelsea, they were on the cusp of going into administration spending massively without having any means of generating income to pay for it, before they had their arses saved by Abramovich and are now a title challenging side. Had that not happened they surely would've gone in the same direction of Leeds. This in turn negates all the good work clubs like Spurs do to maintain a challenge within the league. So, what i mean is, it is what is wrong with modern football these days. What is the message that is being sent out? Not one of hard work and determination. Not that diligence and patience will one day pay off and reap benefits. The message being sent out is that unless you have a wealthy investor come in and spend half a billion on the team, all the hard work will have been in vain.

That is a macrocosm of much that is wrong with football these days. Many of you say a cheat is a disgrace to football, well isn't spending a fortune on a football team and rocketing your way to success in a few short years, while clubs with business models that strive to bring them the same success within admirable means, cheating as well?

You see, what fans of other clubs fail to understand is that we didn't ask for a billionaire owner to buy our club. We were just looking for an OWNER. The one we had in failed to disclose that he had an arrest warrant against him for the abuse of human rights, so obviously he couldn't stay. As it so happens, we were a matter of weeks away from HUGE problems regarding payment of wages and transfer fees before ADUG got involved.

We needed an owner of a club. Abu Dhabi's finest heard of this, took a tour round the club and subsequently bought us. It's not like we're not going to spend the money we're given, is it?

The fact of the matter is that you didn't care when we were in the shit. If problematic owners are what's wrong with modern football, where was the outcry when Shinawatra was in charge? You only kicked up a stink when we threatened your position, so don't act like you're some kind of guardian of the good of the game.


EDIT: Has anyone ever noticed how it's only 6 or 7 premier league clubs who care about our money? Everyone is looking out for themselves, but at least the rest of the clubs apart from those don't pretend they're about something else. The hypocrisy is actually amusing.

 

[Matty]

There's only 4 Champion's League spots available (assuming United or Arsenal don't "do a Chelsea" and fluke the Champion's League) from the league and it'd be a complete shock if City and United didn't take 2 of them, probably the top 2 as well. That leaves 2 spots available, and I think you can legitimately argue that Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton are the only sides in with a shot at them. Chelsea may well have lost last night to QPR, and Benitez is nothing more than a stop gap manager, but I still think Chelsea are the favourites for 1 of those spots, I can't see them not finishing in the top 4 for a second season. So that's 1 spot between 3 sides. You'd have Arsenal as the favourites for that spot too, yes they're not at their strongest at present, but they've not failed to qualify for the Champion's League this millenium whereas Spurs and Everton have 1 champion's league qualifying campaign each since it was renamed back in the early 1990's. Can Spurs qualify? Yes, they would have last season if it weren't for Chelsea's heroics/blind good fortune. Will they? I think they'll just fall short, with a 5th place finish.

They'll both do well to get to the q/f.

Which was exactly my opinion of Chelsea last season!

 

[THFC6061]

That was a very productive festive period for Spurs, who took 13 of the 15 Premier League points on offer.

We start 2013 exactly where we were at the start of 2012 - in third place.

Like last season you will collapse and not do anything deja vu

You may well be right, but I really don't think this will be the case.

We've been without three regular starters for almost the entire first half of the season (Younes Kaboul, Benoit Assou-Ekotto & Scott Parker), so the squad will be very much strengthened with all three back in action for 2013, plus whatever new signings we make during the transfer window.

We're three points better off than we were in the 2011-12 identical fixtures and AVB now has the best statistical record of any Spurs manager since the club joined the Football League in 1908.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurManagersRecords1898-2009.html

 

[MSP]

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

As DD said yesterday - you must misplaced us with someone who gives a flying one.

Is there a bigger load of shite than the one above? Haha, I couldn't give a single f about Spurs finances and how they generate their income. Spurs or anyone else's.

 

[stony]

That was a very productive festive period for Spurs, who took 13 of the 15 Premier League points on offer.

We start 2013 exactly where we were at the start of 2012 - in third place.

Like last season you will collapse and not do anything deja vu

You may well be right, but I really don't think this will be the case.

We've been without three regular starters for almost the entire first half of the season (Younes Kaboul, Benoit Assou-Ekotto & Scott Parker), so the squad will be very much strengthened with all three back in action for 2013, plus whatever new signings we make during the transfer window.

We're three points better off than we were in the 2011-12 identical fixtures and AVB now has the best statistical record of any Spurs manager since the club joined the Football League in 1908.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurManagersRecords1898-2009.html

You're like a broken record.

Football Genius or not, Harry Redknapp is Tottenham Hotspur's most successful manager, statistically speaking, since the club joined the Football League way back in 1908.

Sometimes, doing the simple things well can be far more effective than going for over-complicated tactics.

 

[THFC6061]

Like last season you will collapse and not do anything deja vu

You may well be right, but I really don't think this will be the case.

We've been without three regular starters for almost the entire first half of the season (Younes Kaboul, Benoit Assou-Ekotto & Scott Parker), so the squad will be very much strengthened with all three back in action for 2013, plus whatever new signings we make during the transfer window.

We're three points better off than we were in the 2011-12 identical fixtures and AVB now has the best statistical record of any Spurs manager since the club joined the Football League in 1908.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurManagersRecords1898-2009.html

You're like a broken record.

Football Genius or not, Harry Redknapp is Tottenham Hotspur's most successful manager, statistically speaking, since the club joined the Football League way back in 1908.

Sometimes, doing the simple things well can be far more effective than going for over-complicated tactics.

Newsflash - AVB's record with Spurs is better than Harry's was.

 

[MSP]

Haha, but it was good spot by stony, you have to agree :)

 

[Bilboblue]

You may well be right, but I really don't think this will be the case.

We've been without three regular starters for almost the entire first half of the season (Younes Kaboul, Benoit Assou-Ekotto & Scott Parker), so the squad will be very much strengthened with all three back in action for 2013, plus whatever new signings we make during the transfer window.

We're three points better off than we were in the 2011-12 identical fixtures and AVB now has the best statistical record of any Spurs manager since the club joined the Football League in 1908.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurManagersRecords1898-2009.html

You're like a broken record.

Football Genius or not, Harry Redknapp is Tottenham Hotspur's most successful manager, statistically speaking, since the club joined the Football League way back in 1908.

Sometimes, doing the simple things well can be far more effective than going for over-complicated tactics.

Newsflash - AVB's record with Spurs is better than Harry's was.

Newsflash - AVB has been there 5 minutes.

 

[Bilboblue]

His pace, strength, technical ability, and 9 league goals help ease the pain of all the diving shite. . Would prefer he didn't, but it is what it is.

And that is what is wrong with modern football.

Even Chelsea fans booed Drogba (a minority I concede) when he dived to win a penalty against us at The Bridge.

I fucking hate cheats, with a passion. And yes, even if it was/is one of ours.

So you'd be against signing Bale I take it?

Like I said, I'd prefer he weren't so theatrical when he went over (which is what I think has ultimately been the reason for his bookings). But I think there has been contact on more than one of the occasions where he ended up being booked and that there is some validity to the argument that, due to his speed, minimal contact can send him over...moreso than other players.

Sorry LK. just seen your reply.

No, if Bale keeps playing as he does i.e. cheating to gain an advantage, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club, I cannot stand players who fall at the slightest touch, it's pathetic.

That's why I couldn't stand Drogba, great player though he was, and why I detest the likes of Michael Owen too.

 

[bleed.blue]

Well done Spurs for getting one over that drunken excuse of a man.

 

[malg]

Well done Spurs for getting one over that drunken excuse of a man.

Spot on. Oh, and no wonder there's no value in the transfer market when that drunken twat is asking £6m for a totally unproven player - fucking hypocrite.

 

[LedleyKing]

Yeah all a bit odd really, that transfer. Clearly some sort of agreement between Liege and Spurs before the initial transfer. Not sure what this means for us at LB. There have been rumors that BAE might be moved on, but I reckon that is a load of garbage. Rose has been doing well for Sunderland so it makes sense to bring him back and give him a shot, but it could all just be to raise his price in the end. If one thing is certain it's that Levy will cash in on Rose's recent loan success...<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:02 am --<br /><br />

And that is what is wrong with modern football.

Even Chelsea fans booed Drogba (a minority I concede) when he dived to win a penalty against us at The Bridge.

I fucking hate cheats, with a passion. And yes, even if it was/is one of ours.

So you'd be against signing Bale I take it?

Like I said, I'd prefer he weren't so theatrical when he went over (which is what I think has ultimately been the reason for his bookings). But I think there has been contact on more than one of the occasions where he ended up being booked and that there is some validity to the argument that, due to his speed, minimal contact can send him over...moreso than other players.

Sorry LK. just seen your reply.

No, if Bale keeps playing as he does i.e. cheating to gain an advantage, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club, I cannot stand players who fall at the slightest touch, it's pathetic.

That's why I couldn't stand Drogba, great player though he was, and why I detest the likes of Michael Owen too.

Fair enough. Perhaps I have just become too complacent with modern football. It's so common now to watch players "win fouls" as opposed to "be fouled".

Bob Dylan once wrote, The times, they are a-changin. Ron Burgundy had never heard that song......

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If I remember correctly, Spurs were the first club to set up a holding company so they could get round FA rules about paid directors and paying out dividends.

They floated on the Stock Market to raise money from investors in return for shares, just as we have. They also had a rights issue a few years ago which was specifically done to fund player purchases.

They've had a few very rich owners and were among the first to import top class foreign players, with the purchase of Ardiles & Villa. I'd say they had a large part in creating modern football.

 

[M18CTID]

Re: The Tottenham Thr aead 12/13

One could also say that clubs like City and Chelsea buying their way to success in just a few years, brushing aside clubs like spurs/everton in the process who are progressing on their own merit, are whats wrong with modern football

So; Spurs haven't bought any of their first choice XI then?

They didn't need a billionaire backer to come up with their funds, you know exactly what i mean. Spurs transfer funds are generated through their own means.

Spurs spent around 50m this summer but they actually made a profit of around 10 million with the sales of Modric and VDV. They cannot afford to spend outside of thier means and their business model of buying youth, generating them, and them making a profit has reaped rewards where you now see them as an established top 4/5 team.

Many clubs can spend outside of their means but it will catch up to them eg: Leeds, Portsmouth, Rangers...

For example take a look at Chelsea, they were on the cusp of going into administration spending massively without having any means of generating income to pay for it, before they had their arses saved by Abramovich and are now a title challenging side. Had that not happened they surely would've gone in the same direction of Leeds. This in turn negates all the good work clubs like Spurs do to maintain a challenge within the league. So, what i mean is, it is what is wrong with modern football these days. What is the message that is being sent out? Not one of hard work and determination. Not that diligence and patience will one day pay off and reap benefits. The message being sent out is that unless you have a wealthy investor come in and spend half a billion on the team, all the hard work will have been in vain.

That is a macrocosm of much that is wrong with football these days. Many of you say a cheat is a disgrace to football, well isn't spending a fortune on a football team and rocketing your way to success in a few short years, while clubs with business models that strive to bring them the same success within admirable means, cheating as well?

It's not for me to say how Tottenham Hotspur should be run but I feel compelled to comment on this. As has already been pointed out, Spurs have a billionaire backer in Joe Lewis. The difference between him and Sheikh Mansour, however, is that Lewis chooses not to invest his money in the club and relies on Spurs generating their money through other means such as extortionate ticket and hospitality prices. If you think he (and Levy) run Tottenham (and Silent Stan and his mates run Arsenal) in such a way because it is in some way morally correct then you are deluded beyond belief - it's because these people are tighter than a gnat's chuff and have no intention of investing any of their own cash to help grow their clubs. If Lewis could be arsed to dip his hand in his pocket, then we might have seen some movement at Tottenham with regards to the new stadium and in turn they would be generating greater revenues.

There's nothing that City are doing that can be construed as cheating - if there was then we'd have been punished for it (and besides, rich owners have been part and parcel of English football since the sport turned professional in the 19th century). On the other hand, as part of the so-called "Big 5" in the 1980's Tottenham colluded with Arsenal, United, Liverpool, and Everton in carving up the TV rights which saw those 5 clubs bag the vast majority of the TV revenue at the time while the rest of the clubs had to make do with scraps. While that's not exactly cheating, it's not exactly fair either.