The Tottenham Thread 12/13

Gabriel said:
I understand your point and respect your argument, but Spurs have always been a selling side, and good players have always been sold onwards. This however isn't a Gascoigne, Hoddle, Sheringham, Waddle or Modric we're talking about. Bale could be the Willy Wonka Golden Ticket and I would be astounded if his sale isn't completed this summer. Enjoy him while you have him.

I don't think it's true to say we've always been a selling club, although if you are referring to the Premier League era then it's difficult to argue against it. For the last twenty years or so we have typically sold our best players at their peak, with very few exceptions. One of the reasons why we haven't been competitive at the very top level of course. I can certainly see why most people expect us to sell Bale, whether that sale is driven by Levy or the player, and the evidence is there in our recent history to back up that point of view. However, one thing Levy does do is learn from his mistakes and I'm very confident this situation will be handled differently, helped by the fact that Bale is not pushing for a move at all right now and unlikely to be in the immediate future. With all that said, anything can happen of course.
 
SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
To any tottenham fans, what do you think your club needs to take the next step?

I dont think your far off, you have a good first xi, but lack squad depth. (adebayor has been awful for you)

As most City fans said he would be. As soon as he got his contract he stopped trying. I think Spurs biggest problem will be keeping hold of Bale and attracting genuine world class players with the wages they pay. They have a great chance to make a serious push for top 4 and with a little investment in the right areas they could be title challengers.
They've got great support, they're in London and they have a lot to offer apart from decent wages. Until they start paying top whack they will never hold onto their best players and the best players won't want to go there.
 
As much as Adebayor is lazy twat, the fact that Bale will finish 9 from 10 Tottenham's attacks doesn't help him to do much more.

There are numerous situations during each of their matches where Bale tries his shot with having completely opened players and one of them is usually Adebayor.

Bale is on shocking good run at this moment but I have my doubts it will last for long and that tactics might cost them dear.

It looks all great for Spurs at this moment but the way they are currently playing is not something I'd be over the moon about in longer run. if this brings them CL football next season they won't care too much and that's OK but Bale will be stopped just as Messi is stopped in lot of matches when Barcelona face quality opposition and they don't know what to do as they are used to see him bring them out of troubles.

Bale is not Messi though and Spurs are certainly not Barcelona so problems might be more often and bigger.
 
MSP said:
As much as Adebayor is lazy twat, the fact that Bale will finish 9 from 10 Tottenham's attacks doesn't help him to do much more.

There are numerous situations during each of their matches where Bale tries his shot with having completely opened players and one of them is usually Adebayor.

Bale is on shocking good run at this moment but I have my doubts it will last for long and that tactics might cost them dear.

Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.
 
Josh Blue said:
MSP said:
As much as Adebayor is lazy twat, the fact that Bale will finish 9 from 10 Tottenham's attacks doesn't help him to do much more.

There are numerous situations during each of their matches where Bale tries his shot with having completely opened players and one of them is usually Adebayor.

Bale is on shocking good run at this moment but I have my doubts it will last for long and that tactics might cost them dear.

Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.

Holtby shots too much for my taste too, watched him in few games sincehe came - good player but he still has lot to do to shine in Premier League. Good buy definitely for that money though.
 
I don't think Bale will leave this summer, although I doubt he'll be a Spurs player for more than another season after this one. Unlike Modric, Bale isn't pushing to leave, and that means Levy has no real pressure on him to sell. That combined with Levy "doing a Modric", by which I mean asking for such an extortionately inflated fee that he will price Bale out of people's budget, will mean he'll stay.

There's a couple of things that need to be considered here, by both Spurs/Levy and by Bale himself, as well as by the fans Firstly Bale....

....whilst he isn't pushing to leave he must realise the window of opportunity for him to join the likes of Real Madrid will not be open indefinitely. He must also realise that Levy is a calculating person who will look after himself/Spurs and doesn't actually give two shits about Bale. Bale will have seen how the Modric situation panned out, I've no doubt at all that what Modric said was true, that he had a "gentleman's agreement" with Levy (i.e. not documented, not legally binding, but a clear understanding) that he could leave the summer before he eventually did, and that the new, extremely lengthy contract, was signed with that agreement in mind. Modric was aiming to ensure Spurs got a "fair price" for him, and not a reduced one due to the shortened length of his contract. Levy then, promptly, denied the agreement and asked stupid money (in the £40m to £50m bracket) for Modric, money he was never likely to get and, ultimately forced Modric to remain at Spurs for another season, a season in which Spurs won nothing, didn't play in the Champion's League, and didn't qualify for the Champion's League. Bale simply can't trust Levy to do anything to help him.

Secondly Spurs......

Spurs must realise that Bale, as a commodity, has a shelf life. Will he be the same player in 18 months? Will he have regressed, plateaued, or worse picked up a nasty injury? They also need to realise that, based on the FFP they so love, clubs have less money available to spend on transfers. Ronaldo cost Real Madrid £90m, no-one will cost anything like that for the forseable future as, simply put, no-one will be able to spend that kind of money whilst also meeting their other costs AND staying within the FFP guidelines. Levy will likely want £50m for Bale, or something in that region. Will he get it under FFP? Probably not. Why would Madrid pay £50m for a player no-one else can afford anyway? If £35m or so is about the most anyone else can pay for a player, and still "break even" then why pay £15m on top of that for Bale? "Here you go Spurs, here's £35m. What, you want more? Well, good luck finding that team that can afford that, we'll be back at the end of the window when Bale is getting anxious, and no-one else has come close to offering you what you want."

Thirdly, the fans......

If Bale stays, will "top names" be added to support him? History would say no, Spurs haven't got a track record for adding real top names consistently. Occasionally there will be 1 who joins, but you're hardly in the same bracket as Chelsea, City or even United when it comes to bringing in elite players. So, is it worth keeping Bale, when the supporting cast will never be good enough for anything other that a tilt at 4th?
If Bale goes, will the funds be invested in the team? If Spurs have a £30m "warchest" and they manage to get £50m for Bale, are we looking at a warchest of £80m? Again, history would say no. Levy is, first and foremost, a business man, his business just so happens to be involved in professional football. In business the bottom line is king, is he going to spend £80m "gambling" on the returns (Champion's League football, trophies etc) or is he going to hold back £20m to £30m and keep the company in a healthy, solvent status? So, for the fans, it's almost a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario. Keep Bale and the team isn't actually, as a collective group, good enough to win the title. Sell Bale and it's unlikely enough of the received funds will be invested in the team, thus leaving Spurs where they are now, not good enough to win the title.
 
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Josh Blue said:
Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.

What does Dembele actually do? Apart from dribbling past a player and then passing backwards immediately, I just cannot see what he does. He doesn't give the ball away often but does nothing with it.
 
Manc in London said:
Josh Blue said:
Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.

What does Dembele actually do? Apart from dribbling past a player and then passing backwards immediately, I just cannot see what he does. He doesn't give the ball away often but does nothing with it.

Wins us matches.

Spurs haven't lost a match this season when Dembele has been on the pitch...

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...we were leading 1-0 at Everton before Dembele was subbed-off.
 
Manc in London said:
Josh Blue said:
Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.

What does Dembele actually do? Apart from dribbling past a player and then passing backwards immediately, I just cannot see what he does. He doesn't give the ball away often but does nothing with it.

He is a great player mate. One of the best dribblers about, retains the ball well, strong in the tackle, distributes well and has a great shot on him. Scored a cracking winner against Lyon the other day. Him, Holtby and Sandro are top players. I would be happy to see any of them young midfielders at City. Bale gets the headlines but Spurs play some great stuff.
 
I hate tottenham more than anyone and cant deny they have an excellent squad, play good football and have one of the worlds best players in Bale

Hopefully, they wont get 4th, Bale leaves and they can crumble into non existence
 
Josh Blue said:
Manc in London said:
Josh Blue said:
Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.

What does Dembele actually do? Apart from dribbling past a player and then passing backwards immediately, I just cannot see what he does. He doesn't give the ball away often but does nothing with it.

He is a great player mate. One of the best dribblers about, retains the ball well, strong in the tackle, distributes well and has a great shot on him. Scored a cracking winner against Lyon the other day. Him, Holtby and Sandro are top players. I would be happy to see any of them young midfielders at City. Bale gets the headlines but Spurs play some great stuff.

He can dribble but he does nothing with it. As for his shooting, he has scored something like one league goal. Defensively he contributes but he does appear to lose the ball often for someone rated highly. I just cannot see why he is hyped so much. Milner is far better, as is Barry.
 
THFC6061 said:
Manc in London said:
Josh Blue said:
Watch Holtby for them, now he is a team player. So is Dembele, joy to watch.

What does Dembele actually do? Apart from dribbling past a player and then passing backwards immediately, I just cannot see what he does. He doesn't give the ball away often but does nothing with it.

Wins us matches.

Spurs haven't lost a match this season when Dembele has been on the pitch...

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...we were leading 1-0 at Everton before Dembele was subbed-off.

I'd say only 4 or 5 of those are difficult matches. Hehas only played in two matches against top 6 teams. As for the Everton game, why was he subbed?

You produced similar stats for Ledley King last season. Then we all laughed at you as you struggled to win games at the end of the season.
 
Manc in London said:
THFC6061 said:
Manc in London said:
What does Dembele actually do? Apart from dribbling past a player and then passing backwards immediately, I just cannot see what he does. He doesn't give the ball away often but does nothing with it.

Wins us matches.

Spurs haven't lost a match this season when Dembele has been on the pitch...

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...we were leading 1-0 at Everton before Dembele was subbed-off.

I'd say only 4 or 5 of those are difficult matches. Hehas only played in two matches against top 6 teams. As for the Everton game, why was he subbed?

You produced similar stats for Ledley King last season. Then we all laughed at you as you struggled to win games at the end of the season.
He sure does love his stats. Proper little anorak is Mr 6061!
 
Same, never got the hype about Dembele. There are 2 reasons for your performances with/without him.
1. His replacement (usually Huddlestone) is so poor that anyone will be an improvement over him.
2. As already pointed out, he has sit out in some tough matches.
 
bleed.blue said:
Same, never got the hype about Dembele. There are 2 reasons for your performances with/without him.
1. His replacement (usually Huddlestone) is so poor that anyone will be an improvement over him.
2. As already pointed out, he has sit out in some tough matches.

No, Dembele hasn't "sat out" any matches - he was still with Fulham for the first two games of the season and picked-up an injury which kept him out of eight matches.

Spurs only managed two wins from those eight games - Southampton away and Maribor at home.

Dembele's contribution to Tottenham's good form has been massive this season.
 

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