The way I see it (managerial situation)

[Unknown_Genius]

I was having this discussion the other day with a mate, and I wondered whether a "World Class" manager was what City needed. City may have all this potential and money, but lets be honest here, we are a mediocre Premier League side, the highest we finished is 8th, and we've been involved in lots of relegation battles, its not very often we finish in the top 10 and when we do its viewed as a good achievement. Think of a season City have had in the Premier League, where you can look at and say, "yeah that was a great season". I for one cannot think of any. The ADUG are obviously very ambitious and want to turn us into a top table side, but at the present we are not. Alot needs to change at the club, the mentality, the culture, and throwing money at the club won't change that. City need to walk before they can run. I think Hughes can take us to the next level, which is where the likes of Villa and Everton are, the top 4 can be an aspirational target, if the club exceed expectations. If we had finished in the top 6 last season, the job of ADUG would be much easier, as the building blocks would already be in place, but at the moment those building blocks are just being put there. Hughes guided a very ordinary looking Blackburn team with limited resources to 6th, this is the first time he's managed a club with lots of resources, and with better players, and its a learning curve for him aswell. I'm not a pro Hughes person, I think getting rid of him, will not be the wisest decision the club has ever made. A "world class" manager does not guarantee you will be successful, Chelsea probably thought that when they got Scolari, a world cup winner, coached some of the biggest names in football. In the end it all went pear shaped for him. Roberto Mancini acheived good things with Inter, but the guy has never coached in England, I may be wrong, but I don't think he speaks English either. That was Juande Ramos' problem, will Mancini's style may be more suitable for Italy, it might not work over here. Mourinho is the name people brand about, but lets not forget, he inherited a Chelsea team that had finished 2nd the previous season, and had reached the Champions League semi's. Alot of there best players were already there, the foundations were there. If Mourinho does come to City, he will inherit a team that hasn't won anything for a long time, and one that are happy to finish in mid table mediocre, and turn that all around. I feel even for Mourinho its a big ask.

 

[bluethai]

"Some managers have a big excuse when they go to a big club. They say 'I need a lot of time to do it'. If you say this, you get protection."

"If you don't win the title in the first season, or second season, you can keep saying 'I need time'. Sometimes you stay for four or five years, keep not winning, and then keep demanding more time.

"I could never be like this. I live for the risk. I believe you can do it in the first season, and if you do not, you fail. I prefer it like this. I prefer the pressure because that's how I live."

- Jose Mourinho -

 

[masterwig]

I question whether this has changed but our reliance on induvidual pieces of brilliance from Robinho, the form of Ireland and induvidual strikes have so far kept him in a job (who would expect Onouha or Zabaleta to strike like that again?) and where we would be now if it was not for them goals strikes fear into my heart.

Comical.

You're having a go at Hughes for winning games? Fact is we won those games.

Last season we nicked points against Reading (home) and Sunderland (Home) with late strikes. I bet you weren't using those wins against Sven.

The Hughes out lot are getting desperate it seems. There are a lot of things I can accept people moaning about but games we have won is not one of them.

 

[Chippy]

I question whether this has changed but our reliance on induvidual pieces of brilliance from Robinho, the form of Ireland and induvidual strikes have so far kept him in a job (who would expect Onouha or Zabaleta to strike like that again?) and where we would be now if it was not for them goals strikes fear into my heart.

Comical.

You're having a go at Hughes for winning games? Fact is we won those games.

Last season we nicked points against Reading (home) and Sunderland (Home) with late strikes. I bet you weren't using those wins against Sven.

The Hughes out lot are getting desperate it seems. There are a lot of things I can accept people moaning about but games we have won is not one of them.

You could attack the rags' record this season on the same basis - if it wasn't for the moments of individual brilliance, players in form, dodgy decisions, other teams playing shite and some late goals from unexpected sources they'd be bottom of the league instead of top.

 

[john blue]

Allblues09. chapped legs, now get to bed. !

 

[Big G]

The guy needs time,
I aint Hughes' biggest fan, but credit where credit is due for what he did at Blackburn.
We have had no consistency in Managers since the turn of the century, and weve still got players on the books from 4 managers ago, thats 4 episodes of diffrent management and styles that Hughes has to deal with,
It takes 3 years to build a team, no matter how much money youve got, and for where we want to go I think its a 5 year job, and every change of manager just delays the process.

We must give Hughes (or any manger for that matter) a chance to create 'his team' and then we can judge him on any progress made after 3 years in the job.

 

[citytillidie24]

Already bored of these debates. Hughes will be staying, and if we progress well next year, these conversations won't happen. Have some faith.

 

[Balti]

Some people who already want to compare us to the rags obviously play too Championship Manager. If only it was that easy.

 

[Brucie Bonus]

"Some managers have a big excuse when they go to a big club. They say 'I need a lot of time to do it'. If you say this, you get protection."[/size]

"If you don't win the title in the first season, or second season, you can keep saying 'I need time'. Sometimes you stay for four or five years, keep not winning, and then keep demanding more time.

"I could never be like this. I live for the risk. I believe you can do it in the first season, and if you do not, you fail. I prefer it like this. I prefer the pressure because that's how I live."

- Jose Mourinho -

Bloody hell, I was looking for this earlier today when I posted on the "Hughes is making more excuses and whining" thread.

Anyway, Hughes has changed since he agreed to have us finishing 6th when Frank gave him the job.

Frank (jumping up and down in his chair): So, you agree then? You believe you can tighten screws and get them going?
Hughes (smiling a thin-lipped smile): Yes, I think, I believe, I am sure, with the current squad properly motivated and fit - did I mention my teams always get stronger? -
Frank (nodding off): ...several times...
Hughes (leans forward, at the same time making a steeple with his index fingers): ...and playing to a definite plan, playing with tempo and dynamism, and with just a couple of additions...
Frank (wakes up with a jerk): ...a couple, just a couple, you are sure? (he too leans forward) You have an eye for bargains yes?
Hughes (Hughes leans even further forward and now rests his chin on the steeple): ... in the obviously weak areas, we should be able to finish 6th comfortably.
Frank (too loudly as he jumps up): So I can tell the press that we are expecting 6th and European qualification?
Hughes (frowns and remains silent for a few seconds, then): If you must...*thinks: I'll cross that bridge when I get to it*

Mourinho goes on to say:

“It is not for me to say if Scolari was given enough time, but when you are at the top five or six clubs in the world you know that time is something you probably are not going to have. If you look at Real Madrid they have sacked managers that won the La Liga that season but not the Champions League. This is where modern football is, and we as managers of top clubs have to understand this.

If you want time then Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Inter Milan are not the clubs to be at. The pressure from the fans and chairman is intense, but in return you are given a world class club and the best players in the world to manage."

There is ZERO pressure on Hughes as far as I can tell. It's a joke. Are we a world class club? No. Do we have the best players in the world? No. Apparently, we can't even muster-up a world-class degree of ambition (for all the TALK). I've never seen a manager have so many "votes of confidence" (with so little to be confident about) wheeled out for him as I've seen for Mark Hughes.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

I think that part of the problem you've just put your finger on Brucie is that we're still very much 'middle of the road' with Hughes, and although I'd like to imagine us improving, what we've seen so far this year, which is very near its conclusion, would seem to indicate we're in for more of the same next year.

Like everyone else I'm not for chopping Hughes (who personally I think is a reasonably well-intentioned man) just for the sake of getting him gone, but I don't think he's really capable of making his Mark with us.

Additionally as I'm sure everyone's already sick to death of, I feel in our particular case - which is very unique, our owners should be striving for something a little more special (no reference to Jose) and our first objective might be to access the way we play and the overall systems they wish to propagate. I'll refrain from repeating myself for the umpteenth time, as my earlier posts must still be up there for people to see if they've not already done so, or who like the rest of us in these threads, feel like a bit more masochism...