there could be a light at the end of the tunnel

They will also know that if we play as awful as we did on Monday it will be a stroll in the Wembley sunshine (assuming it'sa nice day).

I'm struggling to have any ounce of confidence after the shambles of Liverpool. Can only forsee the usual City let down to be honest.
 
blue_paul said:
Didsbury Dave said:
I maintain that man for man we are better overall.

For that reason alone I have some confidence for Saturday.

These players would all start for City:
Van Der Sar
Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Nani
Giggs
Fernandez
Berbatov

That's not to mention the suspended Rooney or possibly the injured brazillian kid at full back.
Richards, De Jong and Silva would be the only probables for me. Even Tevez wouldn't walk in. I don't see how you think we're better man for man.

It's also bizzare when people say we've the strongest squad in the league. I don't know how one comes to that conclusion. Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and yernited all have stronger squads then us. We've bought far too much average dross for huge fucking money.

I expect to get slaughtered for the above but hey ho, that's my opinion!
Can't argue with any of that bar replacing camel gob with Kompany.
 
Of course we can win. We've beaten them before even when they have been overwhelming favourites. I don't think Tevez is the crucial factor. Mancini's team selection and strategy is. Zab must replace Kolarov if available. I'd recall Neddy too if its possible. The injuries to Micah and JB plus Kolarovs poor form and Zabba's recent enforced absence have been crippling us.
 
ON the full back situation.

De Jongs presence in front of the CBs lessens the problems dramatically because it allows Toure or Barry or Milner or Vieira or whoever is playing deep alongside him to drift out wide when we are off the ball and cover for the full backs. I thought Toure did this really well against sunderland, helping Boyata out big time on the right. I know Nani Valencia or Giiggs is a slightly different proposition to Welbeck but...

Also on the left, it wouldnt surprise me (as we've seen it before) if Kolarov plays in midfield just ahead of zabaleta at LB. Not ideal but it does make us a lot more secure.

There was no bite to our midfield at anfield, with Barry and Milner standing off players, but with Jong and Zaba biting and snapping we'll be alright.
 
Pigeonho said:
blue_paul said:
These players would all start for City:
Van Der Sar
Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Nani
Giggs
Fernandez
Berbatov

That's not to mention the suspended Rooney or possibly the injured brazillian kid at full back.
Richards, De Jong and Silva would be the only probables for me. Even Tevez wouldn't walk in. I don't see how you think we're better man for man.

It's also bizzare when people say we've the strongest squad in the league. I don't know how one comes to that conclusion. Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and yernited all have stronger squads then us. We've bought far too much average dross for huge fucking money.

I expect to get slaughtered for the above but hey ho, that's my opinion!
Can't argue with any of that bar replacing camel gob with Kompany.

Camel gob, prick and all that he is, is an excellent defender. He's been a little dodgy against sheer pace these last couple of years but I'd still have him above Kompany. Kompany is young though and will be more rounded in a few years.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
flb said:
DD-not strictly true fella,our fullbacks are dogshit and thats what Ferguson will exploit on saturday.

Uniteds ability to get quality crosses in to our box in my opinion will cost us dear.

That's our achiles heel. We need Richards badly but there isn't really a solution to the left back problem.

Yes we do, Dave. That solution is Pablo Zabaleta.
 
Pigeonho said:
blue_paul said:
These players would all start for City:
Van Der Sar
Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Nani
Giggs
Fernandez
Berbatov

That's not to mention the suspended Rooney or possibly the injured brazillian kid at full back.
Richards, De Jong and Silva would be the only probables for me. Even Tevez wouldn't walk in. I don't see how you think we're better man for man.

It's also bizzare when people say we've the strongest squad in the league. I don't know how one comes to that conclusion. Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and yernited all have stronger squads then us. We've bought far too much average dross for huge fucking money.

I expect to get slaughtered for the above but hey ho, that's my opinion!
Can't argue with any of that bar replacing camel gob with Kompany.

I agree that right now, at this moment, Manure probably have a better squad. But Its easy to put a brighter perspective on it.
VDS, Ferdinand, Giggs are old and will need replacing soons.
More importantly, remember how shit Evra and Vidic were at first? Sinclair and Vass ripped them to shreds. FFS. Berbatov hardly set the world on fire at OT before this season remember when he was labelled BerbaFLOP (and he's no spring chicken either BTW).
There is no reason that our young talented squad shouldnt develop in that way, young players like Hart and AJ are already well on course (hopefully Milner, Boateng, Balotelli etc will follow suit) and im confident that in a year or so this so called dross (presumably you are talking about kolarov, dzeko, toure? etc) will fulfill its true potential.
 
Balti said:
Of course we can win. We've beaten them before even when they have been overwhelming favourites. I don't think Tevez is the crucial factor. Mancini's team selection and strategy is. Zab must replace Kolarov if available. I'd recall Neddy too if its possible. The injuries to Micah and JB plus Kolarovs poor form and Zabba's recent enforced absence have been crippling us.

We have beaten them but too many of this bunch of players just dont seem to give a shit. You need to be 100% committed to beat united from start to finish and hope they have an off day.

Will Ballotelli,Kolorov and Toure put their bodies on the line? I doubt it
 
LCBblue said:
Didsbury Dave said:
That's our achiles heel. We need Richards badly but there isn't really a solution to the left back problem.

Yes we do, Dave. That solution is Pablo Zabaleta.

I agree he's the best option, but he was the weak link at Old TRafford.
 
blue_paul said:
Pigeonho said:
Can't argue with any of that bar replacing camel gob with Kompany.

Camel gob, prick and all that he is, is an excellent defender. He's been a little dodgy against sheer pace these last couple of years but I'd still have him above Kompany. Kompany is young though and will be more rounded in a few years.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
LCBblue said:
Yes we do, Dave. That solution is Pablo Zabaleta.

I agree he's the best option, but he was the weak link at Old TRafford.

Barry has played left full back for part of his career. If we're not looking at the full back to give us an attacking outlet out wide then he could be a one-off answer.
 
blue_paul said:
Didsbury Dave said:
I agree he's the best option, but he was the weak link at Old TRafford.

Barry has played left full back for part of his career. If we're not looking at the full back to give us an attacking outlet out wide then he could be a one-off answer.

No chance. He's slower than Kolorov and Zabaleta, and that takes some doing...
 
Out of that list

VAn Der Sar - NO, For crying out loud he's retiring at the end of the season.
Evra - Yes.
Vidic - Yes.
Ferdinand - No, A liability at best over the last 2 years (When fit).
Nani - Yes
Giggs - No, what is he now 140 (lets not get caught up in the media driven god worshipping of the mighty Giggs please)
Fernandez - No, A good first season, but still a lot to prove.
Berbaflop - No, a hugely expensive, flop and we've enough of them already.
blue_paul said:
Pigeonho said:
Can't argue with any of that bar replacing camel gob with Kompany.

Camel gob, prick and all that he is, is an excellent defender. He's been a little dodgy against sheer pace these last couple of years but I'd still have him above Kompany. Kompany is young though and will be more rounded in a few years.
 
I remember lots of derbies, and when we go in on the back of a good result, we get beat. The times we have beat them we nearly always seem to have had an awful result and injuries the week before.

Or am I imagining it?
 
Bluecolin said:
Out of that list

VAn Der Sar - NO, For crying out loud he's retiring at the end of the season.
Evra - Yes.
Vidic - Yes.
Ferdinand - No, A liability at best over the last 2 years (When fit).
Nani - Yes
Giggs - No, what is he now 140 (lets not get caught up in the media driven god worshipping of the mighty Giggs please)
Fernandez - No, A good first season, but still a lot to prove.
Berbaflop - No, a hugely expensive, flop and we've enough of them already.
blue_paul said:
Camel gob, prick and all that he is, is an excellent defender. He's been a little dodgy against sheer pace these last couple of years but I'd still have him above Kompany. Kompany is young though and will be more rounded in a few years.
Just look at the last 2 goals Giggs has set up, the guy is still class and I would have him in our team in an instant. His vision hasn't suffered, nor has his pace and drive. I wish he was injured.
 
el blue said:
Pigeonho said:
Can't argue with any of that bar replacing camel gob with Kompany.

I agree that right now, at this moment, Manure probably have a better squad. But Its easy to put a brighter perspective on it.
VDS, Ferdinand, Giggs are old and will need replacing soons.
More importantly, remember how shit Evra and Vidic were at first? Sinclair and Vass ripped them to shreds. FFS. Berbatov hardly set the world on fire at OT before this season remember when he was labelled BerbaFLOP (and he's no spring chicken either BTW).
There is no reason that our young talented squad shouldnt develop in that way, young players like Hart and AJ are already well on course (hopefully Milner, Boateng, Balotelli etc will follow suit) and im confident that in a year or so this so called dross (presumably you are talking about kolarov, dzeko, toure? etc) will fulfill its true potential.

Perhaps my negativity needed to be countered by your positivity!
Do you know what though, regardless about how good we are or they are, I'm going to enjoy the day on Saturday. I'm expecting nothing at this stage and as long as we turn up, show some guts, I'm sure we won't get hammered.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I remember lots of derbies, and when we go in on the back of a good result, we get beat. The times we have beat them we nearly always seem to have had an awful result and injuries the week before.

Or am I imagining it?

You are not. That's how I remeber it as well.

The week before the 5-1 I think we were dire.

In fact, all of our big victories against them seem to have been preceded by a torrid run of form!

Here's hoping...
 

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