Theresa May

[west didsblue]

She came across quite well today at the UN.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Is she the worst Prime Minister ever? Quite possibly. Anthony Eden was regarded as a brilliant man before he failed to step up when he became PM. Was May ever objectively regarded as brilliant? She’s dull, indecisive and small minded. She’s also an utter fucking fraud.

she is out of her depth. she became PM by default - she was last person standing in a race where others dropped out at an alarming rate and she suddenly found herself PM ( which she wanted ) but a Remainer leading a mainly Leave administration. In a nutshell she encapsulated probably 35 - 40 years of the Tory party internal conflict but at a time when action was needed not somebody incapable of action for fear of confrontation.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

May built her reputation on her perceived toughness as Home Sec, got found out during the last election when she flapped during a live press conference.

In other circumstances she could have been held as a John Major like PM. Non offensive and passable. Yet Cameron left her with a giant shitcake called Brexit which fucked her from the start. By trying to keep her party together she's probably damaged the country.

You’d think that anyone’s Premiership that was manifestly spawned by Brexit would have devised some coherent strategy to deal with the associated challenge ahead. She’s provided fuck all. She’s completely spineless. Worst possible quality for a PM.

 

[Len Rum]

She came across quite well today at the UN.

Apart from that gurner when she stumbled in her speech.
Worth watching it on sky news online.

 

[Damocles]

Is she the worst Prime Minister ever? Quite possibly. Anthony Eden was regarded as a brilliant man before he failed to step up when he became PM. Was May ever objectively regarded as brilliant? She’s dull, indecisive and small minded. She’s also an utter fucking fraud.

I posted this a month or two ago and stand by it:

I've got the greatest respect for Theresa May.

Being in Opposition or on the campaign trail is relatively easy. You point out problems with high level and broad thinking. You propose solutions that have enough detail to be credible but not enough detail to be, well, detailed and later used against you. Overall it's a pretty sweet deal for those politicians.

You see, with most societal problems there's not any easy answers. There's always reasons why the seemingly obvious and "fairest" solutions are unfeasible or impossible. The air of the Opposition is clean and intellectual while the air of Government is in the dark recesses of details and agendas.

Theresa May wasn't some naive first timer here - she fully understood what the reality of implementing policy and making no win decisions looked like. And she also understood that Brexit was happening and that she was going to be despised in the present and future pretty much no matter what she did.

Yet she took on the job anyway, when others baulked at the task and knew how it would damage them personally.

I've a lot of respect for that type of self sacrificing leadership.

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From a personal perspective, I thought she was an awful HomeSec due to the way she attempted to handle legislative changes to the IT/Communications industry, especially where encryption was concerned. She fundamentally did not understand the issues for which she was legislating and it was backwards logic which potentially made the world a more dangerous place for everybody.

However, I do admire her on a personal level.

 

[CityStu]

I posted this a month or two ago and stand by it:

I've got the greatest respect for Theresa May.

Being in Opposition or on the campaign trail is relatively easy. You point out problems with high level and broad thinking. You propose solutions that have enough detail to be credible but not enough detail to be, well, detailed and later used against you. Overall it's a pretty sweet deal for those politicians.

You see, with most societal problems there's not any easy answers. There's always reasons why the seemingly obvious and "fairest" solutions are unfeasible or impossible. The air of the Opposition is clean and intellectual while the air of Government is in the dark recesses of details and agendas.

Theresa May wasn't some naive first timer here - she fully understood what the reality of implementing policy and making no win decisions looked like. And she also understood that Brexit was happening and that she was going to be despised in the present and future pretty much no matter what she did.

Yet she took on the job anyway, when others baulked at the task and knew how it would damage them personally.

I've a lot of respect for that type of self sacrificing leadership.

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From a personal perspective, I thought she was an awful HomeSec due to the way she attempted to handle legislative changes to the IT/Communications industry, especially where encryption was concerned. She fundamentally did not understand the issues for which she was legislating and it was backwards logic which potentially made the world a more dangerous place for everybody.

However, I do admire her on a personal level.

I broadly agree with this. As badly as everyone claims May is doing, few can propose a better, more universally welcome, alternative. Not a great time for anyone to be PM.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

It's hard to see any modern politician who would be considered a great leader considering the state of our political landscape at present we are not exactly spoiled for choice because politicians have changed and the strong characters who could be PM are either Mad Tories or bent out of shape socialists. Mrs May is a disappointment she's weak inconsistent and driven by just survival, that being said even though the Tory party led by her is is disarray the opposition can't mount a coup because their identity politics and scandals leave them also unfit for power. It doesn't matter if Mavis goes she'll just be replaced by another career shyster who wants to keep the status quo and only react to the worst kind of knee jerkism I have ever seen from the leaders of this country.

 

[blueonblue]

In other circumstances she could have been held as a John Major like PM. Non offensive and passable. Yet Cameron left her with a giant shitcake called Brexit which fucked her from the start. By trying to keep her party together she's probably damaged the country.

Thats all she was, a john major type acceptable to the remainers because at heart she was one of them while the sceptics were talked into giving her a chance to back up her words, Andrea Leadsom would have been a far better choice but she suddenly decided to drop out before the members vote where she was widely tipped to win (Not unlike the labour party the MPs are out of step with the rank and file), I suspect she was on the end of "For the good of the party" pressure thats turned out to be anything but.

The Party conference might just stiffen her backbone because that will be the overwhelming message she will get from members.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I posted this a month or two ago and stand by it:

I've got the greatest respect for Theresa May.

Being in Opposition or on the campaign trail is relatively easy. You point out problems with high level and broad thinking. You propose solutions that have enough detail to be credible but not enough detail to be, well, detailed and later used against you. Overall it's a pretty sweet deal for those politicians.

You see, with most societal problems there's not any easy answers. There's always reasons why the seemingly obvious and "fairest" solutions are unfeasible or impossible. The air of the Opposition is clean and intellectual while the air of Government is in the dark recesses of details and agendas.

Theresa May wasn't some naive first timer here - she fully understood what the reality of implementing policy and making no win decisions looked like. And she also understood that Brexit was happening and that she was going to be despised in the present and future pretty much no matter what she did.

Yet she took on the job anyway, when others baulked at the task and knew how it would damage them personally.

I've a lot of respect for that type of self sacrificing leadership.

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From a personal perspective, I thought she was an awful HomeSec due to the way she attempted to handle legislative changes to the IT/Communications industry, especially where encryption was concerned. She fundamentally did not understand the issues for which she was legislating and it was backwards logic which potentially made the world a more dangerous place for everybody.

However, I do admire her on a personal level.

I wouldn’t describe her tilt at power to be self-sacrificing. When the big prize is in reach, most politicians will grab it with both hands, irrespective of the prevailing circumstances that gave rise to their opportunity. Most human beings crave power, politicians especially so; and the closer it appears, the more they crave it. Logic will rarely trump their lust for it, just like logic will rarely compel them to readily let go of it when everything points to that being the only dignified option. Say what you will about Cameron (and he’s ultimately responsible for the current abortion) but he knew his number was up and went decisively.

In general terms, however, never underestimate the power of doublethink when it comes to human ambition.

 

[Saddleworth2]

She has spectacularly failed in her negotiations with the EU. Taking the wrong tone at the most inopportune moment on a consistent basis, she has completely misunderstood the politics of the situation. She also lacked a heavy hitting no 2 that could have taken charge of the Brexit delivery programme from the start, martialling what needed doing into work streams and sitting on top of them to ensure progress. When I try hard, on a personal basis, I can feel some compassion for her as she has an impossible job delivering something which is tantamount to self harm. I find absolutely nothing to admire though as instead of engaging with the country with facts, and truths, even where they are unpalatable, she has limped along with platitudes and meaningless soundbites while ignoring the grave misgivings many of us still have regarding the conduct of the initial referendum. That should have been tackled head on rather than swept under the carpet if she had any interest in trying to bring the different sides together.
History will not be kind.
As a centralist who has voted on both sides in the past, Theresa and her cohorts have lost my vote for the foreseeable future.