Thiago Alcantara

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celticfc482 said:
jauganaut said:
g180aj said:
------------------Aguero-----------------
---isco-----------------------------silva--
------------------Thiago-----------------
---------fernandinho-------yaya----------
clichy----------------------------zabaletta
---------Nastasic-----Kompany----------
-------------------Hart-------------------

That is one delicious team, my friend.
There is a noticeable lack if width, but Isco has no problem going wide.
Just marinade with some Worcestershire, wrap in bacon and gently place on the grill.
Flip only once. Heat--medium low.:-)

Plan A is that, Plan B bring on Navas and add Dzeko if needed.

The main problem with that attack is the lack of height completely takes out many chances of scoring from crosses.

Then we'll pass the ball around them and walk the ball into the net, works for Barca and Spain, whilst we ain't Barca(yet) that team would still create enough chances... Chelsea created enough with Mata, Oscar and Hazard behind Torres and Thiago, Silva, Isco behind Aguero is at least as good as.
 
g180aj said:
------------------Aguero-----------------
---isco-----------------------------silva--
------------------Thiago-----------------
---------fernandinho-------yaya----------
clichy----------------------------zabaletta
---------Nastasic-----Kompany----------
-------------------Hart-------------------

I don't see 90ish goals in a team like this. For me we should either buy a 20+ per season wide forward like Reus or play two strikers.
 
LoveCity said:
g180aj said:
------------------Aguero-----------------
---isco-----------------------------silva--
------------------Thiago-----------------
---------fernandinho-------yaya----------
clichy----------------------------zabaletta
---------Nastasic-----Kompany----------
-------------------Hart-------------------

I don't see 90ish goals in a team like this. For me we should either buy a 20+ per season wide forward like Reus or play two strikers.

with this team next season aguero will score 30-35 in all comps and isco will score at least 20 and I would expect silva will have his best season for city next year with15 and thiago is capable of 15 and yaya and dinho could get 15 between them aswel as etter set pieces meaning 10 for the defence. oh and we will have 2 other strikers plus navas, milner, rodwell and other defenders to chip in.
 
g180aj said:
LoveCity said:
g180aj said:
------------------Aguero-----------------
---isco-----------------------------silva--
------------------Thiago-----------------
---------fernandinho-------yaya----------
clichy----------------------------zabaletta
---------Nastasic-----Kompany----------
-------------------Hart-------------------

I don't see 90ish goals in a team like this. For me we should either buy a 20+ per season wide forward like Reus or play two strikers.

with this team next season aguero will score 30-35 in all comps and isco will score at least 20 and I would expect silva will have his best season for city next year with15 and thiago is capable of 15 and yaya and dinho could get 15 between them aswel as etter set pieces meaning 10 for the defence. oh and we will have 2 other strikers plus navas, milner, rodwell and other defenders to chip in.

Set pieces who ?

How many goals have those players scored from set pieces either directly shooting or through corners/headers etc, the whole lot of them, in their careers.

Work it out, then have a look at Utd's squad & do a comparison. Then perhaps add Baines to it.

Then consider, once Vinny marks his man, or zone, at a set piece against, who picks up the other 9 oppo players ?
 
g180aj said:
with this team next season aguero will score 30-35 in all comps and isco will score at least 20 and I would expect silva will have his best season for city next year with15 and thiago is capable of 15 and yaya and dinho could get 15 between them aswel as etter set pieces meaning 10 for the defence. oh and we will have 2 other strikers plus navas, milner, rodwell and other defenders to chip in.

You're being hugely optimistic there.

Aguero has never scored more than 30 goals in all competitions and is coming off a poor season - people are adamant he will suddenly be at his best again but what if he gets injured? He had 3 lengthy injuries last season. What if he remains a hugely talented but wasteful forward (his chance conversion rate last season was that of an attacking midfielder rather than a striker) who it could be argued would be better partnered with another striker like he was at Atletico? It's gambling a lot on Aguero as the lone striker.

How is Thiago capable of 15 goals. His league history goes: 0, 0, 4, 2, 2. He'd be in a brand new league.

Silva has yet to score more than 8 goals in a season for City. Why is he going to double that total all of a sudden? Pellegrini is a good manager but doesn't magically make players more clinical.

Fernandinho scored 2 goals in the Ukrainian league last season and his last five seasons have gone: 5, 4, 3, 4, 2. He is coming to a league where goals are harder to score and we haven't bought him for his goal scoring ability.

Yaya might get a few as he always does but is not a prolific attacking midfielder like Thomas Muller.

You're basically expecting nearly every player to have the best goal scoring season of his life and that is being a bit unrealistic.

For me I'd rather see a second striker who is much more guaranteed to add goals, rather than playing three central midfielders which would be pointless in most games where we have teams on the back foot. Three central midfielders would be more negative than Mancini who played two, and Pellegrini is less negative so won't be playing a '3' like Yaya/Fernandinho/Thiago (who I don't think we will sign) except maybe in Europe against superior midfields.
 
Agree with LC. We could play 3 attacking midfielders behind a striker now and again but we need to play 2 strikers more often than not.
 
LoveCity said:
g180aj said:
with this team next season aguero will score 30-35 in all comps and isco will score at least 20 and I would expect silva will have his best season for city next year with15 and thiago is capable of 15 and yaya and dinho could get 15 between them aswel as etter set pieces meaning 10 for the defence. oh and we will have 2 other strikers plus navas, milner, rodwell and other defenders to chip in.

You're being hugely optimistic there.

Aguero has never scored more than 30 goals in all competitions and is coming off a poor season - people are adamant he will suddenly be at his best again but what if he gets injured? He had 3 lengthy injuries last season. What if he remains a hugely talented but wasteful forward (his chance conversion rate last season was that of an attacking midfielder rather than a striker) who it could be argued would be better partnered with another striker like he was at Atletico? It's gambling a lot on Aguero as the lone striker.

How is Thiago capable of 15 goals. His league history goes: 0, 0, 4, 2, 2. He'd be in a brand new league.

Silva has yet to score more than 8 goals in a season for City. Why is he going to double that total all of a sudden? Pellegrini is a good manager but doesn't magically make players more clinical.

Fernandinho scored 2 goals in the Ukrainian league last season and his last five seasons have gone: 5, 4, 3, 4, 2. He is coming to a league where goals are harder to score and we haven't bought him for his goal scoring ability.

Yaya might get a few as he always does but is not a prolific attacking midfielder like Thomas Muller.

You're basically expecting nearly every player to have the best goal scoring season of his life and that is being a bit unrealistic.

For me I'd rather see a second striker who is much more guaranteed to add goals, rather than playing three central midfielders which would be pointless in most games where we have teams on the back foot. Three central midfielders would be more negative than Mancini who played two, and Pellegrini is less negative so won't be playing a '3' like Yaya/Fernandinho/Thiago (who I don't think we will sign) except maybe in Europe against superior midfields.

1) aguero in his first season got 29 and next year I believe we will have are strongest ever squad and would exspext him to give us 30 goals and I dont think its a big ask.
2) thiago has played a total of about 30 games a season including sub appearances and in a deeper role where as further forward he has all the ability to get 15 easy.
3) silva was realistically our only attacking mid threat last season and everyone knew it so they just shut him out of the games, with the new players brought in teams wont be able to focus on him because they will leave to much space for our other players thus giving him more freedom like he gets for spain and he scores more for them.
4) I said yaya and dinho would get 15 between them so if yaya gets his usual 9-12 then 3-5 for dinho makes 15 so u kind of said I was wrong by agreeing with what I said!
and as for set pieces id expect vince, richards, nasty, rodwell, lescott, clichy and zab should be expected to get 10-15 between them which would mostly be from set pieces which we have been consistently poor at if improved add to that 30 goals from dzeko and guidetti.
 
You're expecting the very best case scenario for every player to happen even in the face of evidence suggesting some of it is very unlikely. What if Aguero has more hamstring problems? What is Silva continues with his weak shots? What if Isco, who has 14 career goals so far at club level, doesn't score the 20+ you're predicting in a year of adaptation to English football?

I've seen Thiago a lot and he has never struck me as someone who is going to be a prolific goal scorer. Sure he may chip in with a few every season but he is the new Xavi, he dictates play from deep with elegant passing. And this is his best position.

I can't see any logical reason to play three central midfielders and in doing so sacrifice an out-and-out attacking player (be it another attacking midfielder or a striker). Pellegrini plays attacking entertaining football, usually with two holding midfielders, adding a third in a deeper role would be uncharacteristic and even more negative than Mancini's criticised tactics. We should never play 3 central midfielders unless we feel our midfield could be in trouble against the opposition (ie. maybe if we run into Bayern Munich, Juventus, Barcelona or Borussia Dortmund). Most teams will be sitting back and we'd just be depriving the team of an out-and-out attacking threat. I simply don't see enough goals in that team, there isn't one guaranteed 20-a-season player besides Aguero (if he stays fit). Now take Thiago out and add Dzeko (or replacement) then maybe...
 
In my opinion if our whole midfield nets 40 between them it will be decent say 20-25 for Kun and 25-30 for the rest of the strike force combined. Cant see Isco banging in 15 goals in his first season in the EPL would love him to though hell if Juan Mata can why cant he!lol Im talking just about the league here btw.
 
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